The "Jobs" plan

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Originally Posted by Byte Stryke

until we penalize companies for moving jobs outside of the country we will continue to go broke.

if you can make doodad here for $5 but choose to make offshore at 1$ we need to charge an extra $4 tarrif to remove the lure to move the job of making the doodad offshore.


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Thought we already did that with increased taxes when the company moves profits made overseas back into the country. As I understand the companies just invest their profits somewhere outside of the country to avoid the additional taxes, which just weakens us and strengthens the other country.

Not to mention, that if we did charge that extra tariff, it would only be reflected in the final cost of the product as the company would just raise the price and the consumers in the USA would pay more.

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Originally Posted by Drilldov2.0

Thought we already did that with increased taxes when the company moves profits made overseas back into the country. As I understand the companies just invest their profits somewhere outside of the country to avoid the additional taxes, which just weakens us and strengthens the other country.

Not to mention, that if we did charge that extra tariff, it would only be reflected in the final cost of the product as the company would just raise the price and the consumers in the USA would pay more.

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the point is to make it as cost effective to make products here instead of moving plants offshore
doodad made it whateverland $2.00 + $4.50 tariff = $6.50
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doodad made in US for $6.50

which one will you buy?

don't tell me people wont buy something with a higher tax on it than value....
People smoke every day

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Originally Posted by Byte Stryke

the point is to make it as cost effective to make products here instead of moving plants offshore
doodad made it whateverland $2.00 + $4.50 tariff = $6.50
vs.
doodad made in US for $6.50

which one will you buy?

don't tell me people wont buy something with a higher tax on it than value....
People smoke every day

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Then what happens is that our goods that we try to sell overseas are tariffed and we can't sell anything to anyone. Then our production drops and the good coming in to the US are still high even though our workers are not working as much due to the factories laying people off because they can not sell their goods, even with the protectionist policy in place. This is what happened when Smoot-Hawley was enacted.

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Originally Posted by Byte Stryke

the point is to make it as cost effective to make products here instead of moving plants offshore
doodad made it whateverland $2.00 + $4.50 tariff = $6.50
vs.
doodad made in US for $6.50

which one will you buy?

don't tell me people wont buy something with a higher tax on it than value....
People smoke every day

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People smoke everyday because of the addictive nature of the drug. A doodad made here or elsewhere doesn't have a physical addiction built into it. Poor analogy.

If you want to make it cost effective to manufacture in the USA, reduce govt. regs and taxes. In other words keep the govt. out of business. I don't understand how if the govt. can't even efficiently run themselves, why would you trust them to try and regulate business' in the USA? Punishing companies trying to escape the over-regulated and over-taxed business world in the USA with more tariffs solves nothing. Provide an environment for companies to flourish and they will stay here instead of moving production to another country. (Where they not only face USA taxes but are also paying the countries tax and other expenses.) Now you want to add an additional tariff for them to bring the products back here? No wonder we get most of our goods made elsewhere.

well I hear alot of criticism about taxing cheap goods coming in and no other realistic proposals
how you have a better chance of pissing through a cheerio at 200 yards with an 8 knot cross wind before the .gov drops taxes.

Call Udall and Bennett and ask them to take a pay cut.
tell them you don't want trillions of dollars going to foreign aid for countries that kill our citizens and piss on our laws. let me know how that works out...

you cannot stop a river, you can only guide it.

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Originally Posted by Drilldov2.0

People smoke everyday because of the addictive nature of the drug. A doodad made here or elsewhere doesn't have a physical addiction built into it. Poor analogy.

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remember that when the next iWidget comes out and there are people lined up camping out a week in advanced to get it.

;)

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Originally Posted by Byte Stryke

remember that when the next iWidget comes out and there are people lined up camping out a week in advanced to get it.

;)

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You just perfectly described exactly how nobama was elected.

Still does not explain how increasing tariffs on American companies which chose to manufacture abroad would somehow increase th desire to manufacture in the USA.

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Originally Posted by Byte Stryke

well I hear alot of criticism about taxing cheap goods coming in and no other realistic proposals
how you have a better chance of pissing through a cheerio at 200 yards with an 8 knot cross wind before the .gov drops taxes.

Call Udall and Bennett and ask them to take a pay cut.
tell them you don't want trillions of dollars going to foreign aid for countries that kill our citizens and piss on our laws. let me know how that works out...

you cannot stop a river, you can only guide it.

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Oh for fucks sake.

So you are in favor of raising taxes. Good for you.

This is a really good discussion and I have to say I come down squarely on the same side as tmleadr and Sharpie.

Another one of the unintended consequences of tariffs is that it encourages waste and slothfulness amongst US workers.

Consider:

Obama decides to place tariffs to make a T-shirt that's made by The Indonesia Garment Company, LTD the same as a T-shirt made by Des Moines T-Shirt, Inc. So now, that shirt costs $18.50, regardless of where it's made. Des Moines T-Shirts, Inc. now knows that if they raise their price to $19.75, they don't have to worry about competition because Obama will just raise the tariff by another buck and a quarter to make things "fair". Soon, the other US T-shirt companies realize what's going on, and they can follow suit. And the unions in these T-shirt factories know they can bash the company over the head with demands for higher and higher wages, benefits and work rules because they know the company can just raise their prices. Pretty soon, we're paying T-shirt makers $30 an hour for a job that's probably worth about $7.

Sure, this is a simplified and exaggerated example. But tariffs have unintended consequences, just like most (read: all) government intervention.

Let the free markets thrive and watch the economy boom back to life.

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Originally Posted by Byte Stryke

well I hear alot of criticism about taxing cheap goods coming in and no other realistic proposals
how you have a better chance of pissing through a cheerio at 200 yards with an 8 knot cross wind before the .gov drops taxes.

Call Udall and Bennett and ask them to take a pay cut.
tell them you don't want trillions of dollars going to foreign aid for countries that kill our citizens and piss on our laws. let me know how that works out...

you cannot stop a river, you can only guide it.

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We don't spend trillions on foreign aid. Where did you get those numbers?

We borrow more in one month than we send in foreign aid each year.

I gave you a realistic proposal. We just have to wait until the next election cycle to put like-minded people in office and throw out the tards there now.