Train!

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Originally Posted by Byte Stryke

Anyone that's met me and looked at my face can probably tell you.

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I have not met you so I dont know, but sounds to me like you have probably got interesting stories to tell of your own.

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Originally Posted by Atrain1

I have seen so many people talk about taking a human life and not lose any sleep that night, you have no idea what you are talking about, it is a very hard thing to do and will mess with you for the rest of your life no matter what the reason is if indeed you can do it, we were not made to kill each other if it does not mess with you than you are not right in the head, when you have someones head in your crosshairs and your finger on that trigger I would really like to see how many of you would really pull it.

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While you are correct on most people having a instinctive resistance to killing another man (like buck fever x50), not everybody does. Some are criminal psychopaths, but some are... something different. Its entirely about mindset.
The rest of your post hurts my brain too much to respond to it.
Can't you go back to whatever it is that was keeping you from being annoying?

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Originally Posted by Byte Stryke

GREAT... so the demons are awake... who wants to sit up with me all night?

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So, perusing Facebook, one of my Brothers shared this with me.

and I am sharing it with all of my brothers here that cant come home when we close our eyes.



talk about a threadjack.

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Originally Posted by mcantar18c

While you are correct on most people having a instinctive resistance to killing another man (like buck fever x50), not everybody does. Some are criminal psychopaths, but some are... something different. Its entirely about mindset.
The rest of your post hurts my brain too much to respond to it.
Can't you go back to whatever it is that was keeping you from being annoying?

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I dont understand what hurts your head, is it because I am right, a psychopath is what I had in mind when I said that some people that wont lose sleep over taking a mans life are not right in the head. What it comes down to and I will put it simple you were not there you have no idea what you would have done because you were not there. I dont know your background or what type of skills you have with a firearm, but I do know mine despite what you think cause of some post I put up, I am really good with a pistol, and a human sized target is a very easy shot at 65 yards but when everything else comes into play it changes everything. Now I do agree with you on training with your weapon I do every chance I get, I have every since I was a kid when I used to live in Idaho all I had to do was shoot, and all I had to shoot was a Colt Delta Elite 10mm, I out shot my uncle first time that thing was placed in my hand he was a Marine. The only thing that would make me take someones life if my family was in danger and that was the only way out, I have talked my way out of a few situations I could have used my gun in and would have been a justified shooting, the only reason I have them is a tool to protect my family,

Maybe this helps you understand. A little punctuation goes a long way...

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Originally Posted by Atrain1

I don't understand what hurts your head. Is it because I am right? A psychopath is what I had in mind when I said that [some](<- unneeded word) people that wont lose sleep over taking a man's life are not right in the head. What it comes down to, and I will put it simply, you were not there and you have no idea what you would have done because [you were not there] (unneeded words, already stated). I don't know your background or what type of skills you have with a firearm, but I do know mine. Despite what you think cause of some posts I put up I am really good with a pistol, and a human sized target is a very easy shot at 65 yards, but when everything else comes into play it changes everything. Now I do agree with you on training with your weapon; I do every chance I get. I have ever[y](should not be a "y" there) since I was a kid when I used to live in Idaho and all I had to do was shoot. [and] All I had to shoot was a Colt Delta Elite 10mm, andI out shot my uncle first time that thing was placed in my hand... and he was a Marine. The only thing that would make me take someones life is if my family was in danger and that was the only way out. I have talked my way out of a few situations I could have used my gun in and would have been [a] justified shooting, the only reason I have them is as a tool to protect my family.

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Now I try not to be a grammar nazi, but when I have to actually put effort into reading your posts, its kinda of a pain in the ass.

Now as for responding to your post...

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Originally Posted by Atrain1

I dont understand what hurts your head, is it because I am right, a psychopath is what I had in mind when I said that some people that wont lose sleep over taking a mans life are not right in the head.

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There ARE people that can kill a man that needed killin' and then sleep like a baby that same night, yet are perfectly sane people otherwise. They are not introverted, hostile, and indiscriminate in their aggression and violence like a psychopath. Its all about mindset (which, as discussed earlier in this thread, might more nature than nurture). The people I know that can, have, and do do this are people with a very strong sense of right and wrong, a clear understanding of what needs to be done, and a solid belief of why they're on this earth. The man in the bus incident I posted as an example went home, had a couple cocktails to wind down, and slept like a baby that night. Just because YOU may not be one of these people (and there's nothing wrong with that), doesn't mean that they must all be psychopaths.

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Originally Posted by Atrain1

What it comes down to and I will put it simple you were not there you have no idea what you would have done because you were not there.

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So we can only be critical of others' actions if we're right there next to them?

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Originally Posted by mcantar18c

Maybe this helps you understand. A little punctuation goes a long way...



Now I try not to be a grammar nazi, but when I have to actually put effort into reading your posts, its kinda of a pain in the ass.

Now as for responding to your post...


There ARE people that can kill a man that needed killin' and then sleep like a baby that same night, yet are perfectly sane people otherwise. They are not introverted, hostile, and indiscriminate in their aggression and violence like a psychopath. Its all about mindset (which, as discussed earlier in this thread, might more nature than nurture). The people I know that can, have, and do do this are people with a very strong sense of right and wrong, a clear understanding of what needs to be done, and a solid belief of why they're on this earth. The man in the bus incident I posted as an example went home, had a couple cocktails to wind down, and slept like a baby that night. Just because YOU may not be one of these people (and there's nothing wrong with that), doesn't mean that they must all be psychopaths.


So we can only be critical of others' actions if we're right there next to them?

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Sorry grammar is not me best subject. All I am saying is how many of us would have really engaged a man with a AK47 with a carry pistol or taken a shot at him 65 yards away while moving. I know I would not have unless I had to, I honestly do not know what I would do if I personally saw him kill someone I would have to be in that situation, and I have been shot at a few times. There is just to much risk the guy had, if he would have made one mistake he would have been done either by the BG or our legal system. My AK47 has 40 rd mags my carry gun depending on which one Revolver or semi 7 and 6 rds you dont have to much room for mistake there. Just try and put yourself in this guys place and ask yourself if you would have really done something. I dont buy that there are perfectly sane people with nothing wrong upstairs that can kill a man and not lose any sleep, I can do it if it needs to be done and I know that for a fact but I am sure going to lose sleep and never forget about it. Psychopaths wont lose any sleep and would most likely get off on it.

I think as a civilian he made the right move. An off duty LEO in the same situation may have been a different story, that being said we are trained not to go into an active shooter situation without at minimum 2 other LEOs. So, I have no idea what I would have done. I garonte that if I had my summer carry (LCP) I would not engage from that range or any range unless directly threatened, and I certainly would not have told the press who I was or that I was armed.

Let's break this down, shall we?
1) Killing someone is no small task, and it's a heavy weight on one's conscious. However, killing someone to save someone else makes the burden less.
I would not take the shot at distance, but I know tactically I could close the distance and engage the target effectively regardless of weapons involved (if there is adequate cover/concealment- and I know the difference between the two).
2) Getting shot with an AK is not fun... I have friends who have been wounded quite badly by AK fire- one can't kick a soccer ball now because of it and his walking is aided by a cane.
3) I'll just use that old quote: "We must all fear evil men, but there is one thing we must fear even more, and that is the indifference of good men!"
So tell ya what, let's just say I'll kill the bad guys for those unable to, since it's not a huge deal anymore (thanks US Army!) and we can go on about our happy lives knowing there is one less person to harm the innocent. [Beer]

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Originally Posted by strm_trpr

I think as a civilian he made the right move. An off duty LEO in the same situation may have been a different story, that being said we are trained not to go into an active shooter situation without at minimum 2 other LEOs. So, I have no idea what I would have done. I garonte that if I had my summer carry (LCP) I would not engage from that range or any range unless directly threatened, and I certainly would not have told the press who I was or that I was armed.

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I think he hit the nail right on the head, I was thinking the same exact thing and talked to a few of my leo friends they said the same thing. It is really easy to sit here and type out on a forum what you would do, completely different when it is happening.

I thought LEOs ARE civilians?