Succession Threads: Merged

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Originally Posted by nynco

Shhhhh don't tell anyone but Colorado is a BLUE state.... mean BLUE BLUE BLUE. State, local (most areas) Governor, Senators and the state legislature... Its more blue than New Jersey [NoEvil]

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Only because idiots...some even on here are allowing this failure.

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Originally Posted by IndustrialRescue

Lol... Asking Uncle Sam "Pretty please, may we secede?" Is DUMB... The answer is yes, but Uncle Sam WILL kill you. (See: Civil War)

And what a LOT of folks don't realize, is that by signing the petition, they have given the Feds/Big Brother ALL of their personal information (name, address, IP address, etc) AND THERE IS NO WAY TO REMOVE IT FROM THE WHITE HOUSE SERVER.

DHS, FBI, Big Sister, etc are OVERJOYED! They now have a flawless list of over half a million "right wing extremists" to deal with at their liesure. Thanks to the "patriot" act their beloved republicans wrote, status as any sort of "extremist" means you COMPLETELY waive ALL Constitutional rights.

If you sign, then you are an idiot, and expect to have a visit sometime in the future from Mr. Federal Agent. Or, die in a mysterious car crash.

If you want your state to secede from the union, as it IS the RIGHT AND DUTY of a state to secede, if the Union does not have its interests at heart, then you must convince the Legislature of THAT STATE to DECLARE secession, and then DO IT. And it normally involves rifles.

The petitions are merely an ill guided feel good measure, that is going to get folks a LOT of unwanted attention from Mr. Fed.

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I don't think our federal government has the resources to visit approximately 200,000 people (estimated from how many signatures have been received for the various withdraw petitions). And I would hope that when states do finally DECLARE secession, it would want to be done without war... There must be a way to peacefully do it.

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Originally Posted by sniper7

Only because idiots...some even on here are allowing this failure.

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How about the idiots that enabled the failure? The election that gave up the Looper and Bennet had Maes and Buck on the other side. Buck was deeply flawed but probably could count past 10 without taking his shoes off. Maes was a total embarrassment. Fanatical purity on issues can have its place but competence has to figure in somewhere.

The Texans had enough sense to find someone qualified like Ted Cruz.

Steve

Can we just vote Florida off. That would make me happy.

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Originally Posted by Ronin13

I don't think our federal government has the resources to visit approximately 200,000 people (estimated from how many signatures have been received for the various withdraw petitions). And I would hope that when states do finally DECLARE secession, it would want to be done without war... There must be a way to peacefully do it.

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Yes, secession is lawful if congress or a constitutional amendment approves it. The precedent of the Civil War is that unilateral secession is unlawful.

With Dims in power, a TX secession, for instance, might find real favor and support from a Dim congress and white house.

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Originally Posted by Rust_shackleford

If this Country were truely free, a state could just walk away. Yet the Confederation of states has been taken over by an over powered central government.

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If this country were truly free, a person could just cash in their chips and leave, and not owe taxes on what they earned here?

Texas has a lot more going for it than most people think. It is completely self-sustainable and is oil and resource rich. It has about 20% of the nations capacity to refine oil and has some of the largest wind farms in the nation. It has open access to water for shipping, and tons of land for agriculture. If they did it right and actually seceded they would be much better off and the rest of the US would be hurting. For a long time Texas has offered business incentives for corporations to develop there pulling the headquarters of a lot of major corporations like AT&T, Dell, Sysco, Exxon Mobil, Halliburton, ConocoPhillips, Valero, Southwest Airlines and so on. Surely their would be greater incentive to for corporations to relocate there when the tax hikes come in for the rest of the country after they are no longer a state.

A small part of me wants to see this happen. It would be the beginning of the end for the USA but we are well on our way down that road anyhow. It will be really interesting when the socialized medicine consequences hit and everyone starts feeling the pain of our government spending as it has. I have family in TX, but personally I would not want to relocate there. I wonder if it would be better to move there and start a new life when they are their own country, or if it would be better to ride this dead horse to the ground and see what comes of it. Either way I think that life is going to get real interesting here over the next few years especially if they get serious about leaving.

Yeah the government could try to stop them, but I know what it was like when I was in the military, you could not throw a rock without hitting someone from TX. By their nature they have a huge presence in the armed forces relative to to their population and you bet that they will not take it lightly if they are asked to do anything against their home state.

When my parents first moved down there to TX they were hesitant about how it would compare to CO. After a few years of where we have been heading they couldn't be happier to be down there.

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Originally Posted by Ronin13

I don't think our federal government has the resources to visit approximately 200,000 people (estimated from how many signatures have been received for the various withdraw petitions). And I would hope that when states do finally DECLARE secession, it would want to be done without war... There must be a way to peacefully do it.

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Maybe not to "visit" each of them personally but it would be interesting to see how many on that list suddenly get beat down with IRS audits next year. It's a little "tin foily" but not totally out of reach.