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And this is where you are wrong, just showing your hands and having another unidentified person swear upon God almighty through a window doesn't relieve a LEO from his sworn OBLIGATION to the city/county/state he protects, LEO's are Sworn to enforce the Law, Laws, case law and Policy dictate how much and how far an Officer must go in order to enforce the laws put in place by Legistlators YOU vote for.
Never said they had to go away and be done with it, just backoff and go get a warrant. You guys really must hate warrants? That would also be a 'WE' vote for.
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As has been said, cops roll up to this house, see two people stating that everything is fine nothing is wrong through a window, meanwhile inside the house there is a woman bound and dieing, sound familiar? Research the amount of times Cleveland cops were called to Ariel Castro's house and didn't do a thorough job investigating the report, which way do you want it?
This is my point, which apparently if you are or have been a cop vanishes from reading this. If they had seen or even heard of "woman bound and dieing" then it would be an exigent situation.. By all means go get'em. DID THEY SEE ANYTHING MAKING THIS EXIGENT? And don't give me we don't know? He would have said something to warn the other cops what to look for.
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Clearly spooked? Get real, I think you would have a better case if you stated these people were Illegal aliens, these people had an agenda and got exactly what they wanted, the only problem is they do not know the law.
How else do you think 'spooked' acts with cops going for their guns?
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Cops don't like to be filmed? yeah sure some don't like it when someone they are interviewing has a camera up but in all honesty I don't want your hand at shoulder level either when I am talking to you. Normal people do not have their hands elevated in a position where it could be employed to strike someone while having a conversation!
UM.... Hands elevated is the universal sign of "I am harmless don't hurt me!" This is especially true with a bunch of cops at your door guns drawn! Are you serious with this one?
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The reality is that a huge portion of LEO Work is in fact done on Camera, every LEO on earth has had the discussion about how would you like a personal camera on your uniform, some have it now, its not just to protect the citizenry its also to protect the officer in fact as these incidents become more popular more and more cops are carrying them, I bet inside of 10 years it will be Policy in many departments, now lets put this into perspective, how would you like to go to work knowing that your company car had multiple cameras in it and you were also required to have another camera on your uniform?
If you have the power to end citizens freedom or even life.... I think cops should be on camera every second they wear the uniform. Courts are putting them in for this reason, they were put into cop cars for this reason. The truth is that in probably 99% of situatios they actually exonerate the cop. Cops deal with a lot of BS each and everyday. The video takes away any question of he-said-she-said and generally work for the cop. In those 1% times we get rid of the bad cop or make sure the right guy goes to jail.
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As I said before if the persons in this video had only gone outside nothing would have happened, NOTHING.
Are there ANY cops on here that think those cops could have backed down or do we just stick with the brotherhood? That does not mean they have gone home, just backed down and gotten a warrant. Most people when asked if you can search X allow you to, some don't. That does not make them guilty or even suspect by law. Is there any scenario where the citizen does not have to bow down to the cop... If not, don't ask why people think there is a police state( as this guy states in the video). Don't give me the platitude that cops work for "us". Cops have a tough job and sometimes some people make it harder... Probably a lot of people but its not all about "Protect" there is also "Serve".
It is sad how much you are all protesting your right as cops to bust down a door because you feel like it, instead of agreeing to a calmer approach. This was not exigent, that much is clear from the video. There is a reason this thread was started and has had so many views. It was not "Hey... Look what a good job the cops did". Bailey and the rest immediatly jumped to defending the cops with "not enough to make a determination!" so..... What were you guys defending? This was questionable behavior from the beginning or it would not have been a thread (BTW it is not the only "cop doing what??" thread on this mostly conservative forum). All the cops on this thread have done is shown solidarity in the defense of that questionable act instead of a "Lessons Learned" where maybe they could have done things differently.
