ZIMMERMAN TRIAL LIVE LINK

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Originally Posted by trot

if he isn't successful in 2nd degree it will fall flat on its ass. They can't come back and keep reducing the possible crime to test the jury to see if they will render a guilty verdict. While the jury has some flexibility, Criminal court isn't a "keep trying different charges until they give the verdict we want" type of system. If they come back not guilty for 2nd degree - that is the end of it.

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What you are discribing is "Double Jeopardy". You are correct.

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Originally Posted by RblDiver

...When you say something like that, it seems obvious now to me too. I always thought "white like saltines" too. +1 for knowledge :P

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I had heard "cracker" b4, but didn't really know what it meant until a couple of days ago. I suspected it might be racist, or at least a pejorative. Now that I understand what it means, I definitely think it is solidly racist as it is ascribing tyrannical slave lord behavior over defenseless black slaves. In fact, I honestly don't understand how any reasonable person could conclude otherwise? I am also to understand this is the language that many blacks, perhaps a majority, use among themselves in their own community.

For many years I had heard some who felt the next war the US was involved in would be a race war between blacks and whites. I out of hand dismissed that since the blacks I knew seemed to be respectful and very reasonable people. However, I didn't/don't live in their community and hear how they talk to each other about white people. I can only speak for myself, but I know of no white people who use racist terms toward blacks and I wouldn't have anything to do with them if they did.

With the "definition of racism" being changed by the administration as something whites do toward blacks, and therefore there is no such thing as black racism toward whites, it is clear that they are giving blacks a pass for such "cracker" etc language. If left unchecked, I can see many whites - especially those who live in/near predominantly black neighborhoods - naturally fearful of blacks in general. And if some blacks feel empowered to mistreat whites openly, this could become ugly in time.

I honestly felt that true racism was very much on the decline and the numerous and frequent charges of endless racism by liberals and progressives was without merit (still do). However, if the left really is whipping up racist frenzy in the black communities (the hip-hop and rap cultures certainly are...), this has a very bad future.

Given the above, I'm expecting Zimmerman will be acquitted of 2DM, and if that happens - race riots in many major cities. Hopefully not, of course.

The media and certain government types appear to want riots.

Okay, to everyone saying he continued to follow him, when you have the time, watch this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kaua8aAUpOs
According to dispatch records and Zimmerman's testimony (backed up by CVA and poly), he stopped following to get an exact location for the PD to meet him. FYI.

Oh and those tweets by all those ignorant hoople heads, I doubt most of them have the stones to do squat- talk is cheap.

You know what I find funny? After so long proclaiming that Martin was profiled for being black, now the prosecution is saying "We never claimed this was about race." Sounds like it's not just Witness 8 who's lying now.

i think it will be a travesty if they find him guilty on 2nd degree murder, but if they do have the flexibility to drop it down i can see them finding him guilty there. although people are supposed to be acquitted if the evidence isn't pretty concrete, sadly emotions often get into it and for whatever reason people are more concerned with someone who MIGHT be guilty getting off completely, so they often do find them guilty of something. but 2nd degree murder is pretty hard to prove in this case.

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Originally Posted by trot

if he isn't successful in 2nd degree it will fall flat on its ass. They can't come back and keep reducing the possible crime to test the jury to see if they will render a guilty verdict. While the jury has some flexibility, Criminal court isn't a "keep trying different charges until they give the verdict we want" type of system. If they come back not guilty for 2nd degree - that is the end of it.

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Originally Posted by tmckay2

i think it will be a travesty if they find him guilty on 2nd degree murder, but if they do have the flexibility to drop it down i can see them finding him guilty there. although people are supposed to be acquitted if the evidence isn't pretty concrete, sadly emotions often get into it and for whatever reason people are more concerned with someone who MIGHT be guilty getting off completely, so they often do find them guilty of something. but 2nd degree murder is pretty hard to prove in this case.

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"Lesser and included..." Lookup "Merger doctrine".

Gentlemen who are saying he will be found guilty of 2nd degree murder or a lesser crime , please explain why you feel that way? Personally I have not seen a damm thing brought forth that says this guy is guilty. Witness number 8 the so called Star witness has been caught in lies. If Mr.Zimmerman is convicted on anything I have seen so far presented by prosecutors then that proves our justice system is corrupt and a sham.

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Originally Posted by battle_sight_zero

Gentlemen who are saying he will be found guilty of 2nd degree murder or a lesser crime , please explain why you feel that way? Personally I have not seen a damm thing brought forth that says this guy is guilty. Witness number 8 the so called Star witness has been caught in lies. If Mr.Zimmerman is convicted on anything I have seen so far presented by prosecutors then that proves our justice system is corrupt and a sham.

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I concur. I'd really like to hear how Zimmerman is guilty of a crime here, and see at least something more substantial than some idiot teenage girl who wasn't even there.

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Originally Posted by Ronin13

I concur. I'd really like to hear how Zimmerman is guilty of a crime here, and see at least something more substantial than some idiot teenage girl who wasn't even there.

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Agree, as far as I'm concerned the prosecution doesn't have a leg to stand on.