SB18-052 - Repeal Ammunition Magazine Prohibition

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Originally Posted by kidicarus13

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Three seconds? I guess I'll just bring my muzzle loader!

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Originally Posted by Great-Kazoo

Where da fuk you get that information, VPC ??? Seriousely...... The anti gun faction has NEVER compromised.

But since you believe they have, here's a short read regarding the current crop of D compromise.

https://www.denverpost.com/2018/01/1...ump-stock-ban/


State Sen. Mike Merrifield, D-Colorado Springs, introduced a bill the first day of the 2018 session to make the sale, purchase or possession of a multi-burst trigger activator a Class 5 felony punishable by a one to three years in prison. The measure includes tougher penalties for subsequent violations and builds on current restrictions for firearm silencers and machine guns.


Merrifield acknowledged the politics surrounding his bill, saying he was “flabbergasted” that Republicans could oppose such a measure.

“I’m waiting for somebody to explain to me a legitimate reason why any gun owner would need to convert a legal weapon into an illegal weapon,” he said.

In an interview, Gov. John Hickenlooper stopped short of supporting a full ban on bump stocks. Instead, he said, the devices should be subject to the same stringent approval process that applies to owning an automatic weapon.

“I’m not saying ban them,” the Democrat said. “I’m just saying you put them in the same category with weapons that are, with all intents and purposes, identical.





BTW: you've conveniently avoided answering my last question in post # 68

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1st. I didn't avoid. No time. I have a few minutes before work this morning so I need to keep it short.

To fight against them, you need at least understand how they think.

To a anti gun person this multi burst trigger ban (and the 15 round limit) are a compromise. They are compromising on getting what they really want. They really want a complete ban on guns. To them any thing less is a compromise.

But they understand they won't get what they really want. They don't say "all or nothing". They will settle for the small incremental wins knowing it at least gets them closer to their end goals. They are playing the long game.

How well, since 2013, has the no compromise tactic worked to get us normal magazines back?

Sometimes small incremental wins are needed.

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Originally Posted by DDT951

1st. I didn't avoid. No time. I have a few minutes before work this morning so I need to keep it short.

To fight against them, you need at least understand how they think.

To a anti gun person this multi burst trigger ban (and the 15 round limit) are a compromise. They are compromising on getting what they really want. They really want a complete ban on guns. To them any thing less is a compromise.

But they understand they won't get what they really want. They don't say "all or nothing". They will settle for the small incremental wins knowing it at least gets them closer to their end goals. They are playing the long game.

How well, since 2013, has the no compromise tactic worked to get us normal magazines back?

Sometimes small incremental wins are needed.

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How long you been shooting AR's, again, or other semi-autos ? AS i asked before.. Knowing a bill to limit magazine capacity to 15 rounds had a good chance of passing. You failed to plan ahead, no reason for your compromise B.S other than that.

Or is there?

What else you willing to compromise on with mine and other gun owners firearms to appease the AG crowd.,

Clearly you have no issue with a multi burst, what ever that unicorn is, trigger. Maybe collapsible stocks, yeah that's it you're willing to give them up too.

Throw in the extra $5 per mag fee. Why not up the BGC to mmmm say $50. What's your threshold per round fee, before you take action? Or is that on the table too , after all it's reasonable


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Originally Posted by Great-Kazoo

Curious, are you an actual gun owner? If you are one, why did you not buy greater than 15 round mags before the law took effect?

From your post sounds more like one of those common sense hunters and sportsman i've encountered before. Lets make nice so we can beg for our Constitutional RIGHTS.


Why do "we have to compromise" ??
Not sure what age bracket you're in, however i've seen compromise since 86. Oddest thing........... NEVER has the other side compromised on any gun law, Ever. Only thing i've seen.... Is MORE Laws, More restrictions, More road blocks for gun owners.

So yeah lets compromise and have more rights taken away.

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To your first question. I am pretty sure you know the answer tonthat. You just want to lead off with ad hominem argument for the general reason why people do that.

The second, why does how many magazines I had before July 2013, have bearing on what I want to buy in 2018?

But since you want you play that game, I will play along.

Please point me to a source where I can legally by 300BLK Pmags. The key word is legally. I realize that places are openly selling them. However are they legal to own?

And those that are not understanding my position that the left compromises..

The current 15 round mags limit was not 15 rounds when Felony Fields introduced it and it made it through the house. The original bill was a 10 round limit. The Dems didn t refuse to compromise. They needed two votes more and that woykfmonky happen if they changed to 15 round limit. The could only get 15 round passed so they took that. The didn t say "10 rounds or nothing".

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Originally Posted by Great-Kazoo

How long you been shooting AR's, again, or other semi-autos ?

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Again ad hominem.

But I suspect very few people on this forum have been shooting semi auto firearms in CO longer than I have.

I still have ram-line 10-22 mags from when I was kid.

Do you want to try and make other as hominem arguments that have little bearing on the argument.

And again, since you think it was poor planning issue, please tell me how I could have planned ahead in 2013 to have 300blk pmags. Or a D60 pmag?

Stop with the personal comments. Discuss the issue. Don't like what someone writes, offer a rebuttal but not a personal attack.

This thread is getting close to the end of it's usefulness, so make your final comments before it gets closed.

If memory serves me there is no 300 AC Black Out mags. They are all .223 AR mags since the shell is the same they just widened the neck to fit a .30 bullet in there. So all .223 PMAGS should be 300 mags and vice versa. Correct me if I'm wrong.
I have been shooting since 2001 on my own with my own guns if I need to qualify. Before that I was always bumming a gun and ammo off of family and friends at the range. I never understood how they go so uppity over it either? Its not a big deal at all for someone to shoot a few rounds out of my guns. And if they bring their own ammo its even less of an issue as long as I don't hate them and they are safe as me.

I still think no compromise is the way to go. But if they want to repeal all the antigun laws going back to the gun show BGC in exchange for the bump stock ban only I could see a compromise there... maybe... if they don't try to double cross us.

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Originally Posted by DOC

If memory serves me there is no 300 AC Black Out mags. They are all .223 AR mags since the shell is the same they just widened the neck to fit a .30 bullet in there. So all .223 PMAGS should be 300 mags and vice versa. Correct me if I'm wrong.
I have been shooting since 2001 on my own with my own guns if I need to qualify. Before that I was always bumming a gun and ammo off of family and friends at the range. I never understood how they go so uppity over it either? Its not a big deal at all for someone to shoot a few rounds out of my guns. And if they bring their own ammo its even less of an issue as long as I don't hate them and they are safe as me.

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Magpul now makes a 300BLK specific mag.

The issue is that any mag over 15 rounds made AFTER July 2013 is technically illegal to possess in Colorado.

As an example, I couldn't go buy a full frame P320 when first released because it was only available with a 17 rd mag (I believe there are CA compliant mags now that won't get up and kill some dumb lib).

Many new to market firearms that only offer >15 round mags are simply not available per the letter of the law.

You can't possess a 300BLK PMAG, you can't possess a Magpul AK mag. They were all mfr after the stupid law.