And it starts, NO shot, no entry

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Originally Posted by Great-Kazoo

The state cannot mandate a vaccine or treatment, as a requirement to attend school. For a vaccine that has not been Approved, by the FDA.

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As I've noted before, this argument annoys the heck out of me from people just because it is entirely presumption and also entirely inaccurate. The supreme court threw that argument away before the FDA event existed. Back when they were called "innoculations" and were not as pretty as they are now. "Here, let me scratch you with some cow pus". And yes, they were required to attend school, and yes all the courts upheld the requirement going all the way to the U.S. Supreme Court.

As far as the surgical advice, act like you really want your flu shot and ask if you can get that right after a bypass. I'm going to be your answer from your doctor to that is going to be "not a good idea" as well. Vaccines trigger immune responses, and for some, can trigger various symptoms of the underlying disease. Even things like a fever have vascular effects. Although nowhere near as dangerous as the actual infection, I can't imagine they want people to be dealing with potential symptoms of any real vaccine right after a bypass without very good reason to do it.

Of course as well, as political as this issue is, the medical field is comprised of individuals who believe in various politics themselves and advocate for whatever position. Like anything, we are more likely to have a doctor that agrees with us than one that doesn't, as there are plenty of doctors out there, and we can easily switch to ones that don't piss us off. We also naturally place a lot more weight into other opinions that agree with ours. That doesn't mean it isn't interesting, just goes to the weight of subjective experiences vs. controlled studies.

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Originally Posted by FoxtArt

As I've noted before, this argument annoys the heck out of me from people just because it is entirely presumption and also entirely inaccurate. The supreme court threw that argument away before the FDA event existed. Back when they were called "innoculations" and were not as pretty as they are now. "Here, let me scratch you with some cow pus". And yes, they were required to attend school, and yes all the courts upheld the requirement going all the way to the U.S. Supreme Court.

As far as the surgical advice, act like you really want your flu shot and ask if you can get that right after a bypass. I'm going to be your answer from your doctor to that is going to be "not a good idea" as well. Vaccines trigger immune responses, and for some, can trigger various symptoms of the underlying disease. Even things like a fever have vascular effects. Although nowhere near as dangerous as the actual infection, I can't imagine they want people to be dealing with potential symptoms of any real vaccine right after a bypass without very good reason to do it.

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WEll since i live in AZ and Not CO. The people who run medical facilities, cannot mandate their employees get vaccinated. . When people across the political spectrum tell me this. I'm more of a believer in what they say. Than another forum member in CO.

As for the surgeon[s], and others in the medical field. I was told to wait, 6 mths - 1 year before getting vaccinated, depending what test results, post op show. They were definitely adamant about me putting it off for some time.
But as you said in the other post . The various political leanings within the medical field might give you an answer based on their "bias" rather than facts. Which as we all know is not uncommon .

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And why are vaccinations all that important, again?

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Originally Posted by OldFogey

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And why are vaccinations all that important, again?

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Politics, elections, usurping ones power in office. Am i close.



Look i don't have an issue with vaccines, in general. I get the flu shot annually, even the pneumonia shot, mainly because a few years back pneumonia put me in the hospital. Why? because i'm in that "risk group"

My issue is from day 1 the continual crap were were told from the "Experts" changed. More than my , then, 3 yr olds suggestion what she has for dinner.


Wear a mask, don't wear a mask, flatten the curve, 6' social distancing, now reduced to 3'. Millions of people hiding in their homes, fearful to go out. Some, even today, are upset when they see someone not wearing a mask. The psychological blow back from this, will last for who know how long.
We've all seen people driving, with their mask on. Some wearing a mask, while their passengers are not.

WHY? Has concern of ( what ever percentage) catching it , influenced one to live in fear?

Then there's the I GOT THE VACCINE, crowd. Now Believing they will be immune from it?
Example. A person in my prayer group, sent out an email, cancelling a get together she had planned.
Mentioning. I tested positive for the virus. BUT i don't understand how that's possible. Since i was vaccinated back in Jan. .

Umm it's a vaccine, not a cure. But, that's the world we live in.

A virus that was turned in to a political football, instead of coming together. Having a unified voice how to combat it, etc. Hell even Biden has acted like it was his administration, not trump that got the vaccine, ball rolling.



Get the vaccine, don't get it. It's a personal choice.

Just like owning a gun. And we all know how public opinion, feels about that. Well according to politicians and the media, it does.

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Originally Posted by OldFogey

And why are vaccinations all that important, again?

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Well, according to the commercials that keep popping up on YouTube you should get vaccinated....

?So we can end this and start getting back to normal.?