CEO to Workers: I May Fire You if Obama Wins....

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Originally Posted by Teufelhund

No it isn't. Let me rephrase for the intellectually-challenged: Morality SHOULD NOT depend upon level of income.

I would never interfere with either of their rights. Yes, if you fuck someone over to maximize your own profitability, you're the bad guy.

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BTW, you sound an awful lot like Obaloney-

It wont hurt the RICH to give a little more, they can afford it.

Like its morally wrong to hold on to what hes earned.

I think maybe you should ponder morals a bit. It seems a lot more morally wrong to condemn someone who is protecting what they have earned because they dont want to just "do without the elevator" in the house they fought to keep so that the government can soak them and cost them more money every time they turn around. Not sure this is hard to understand, but your really basically saying that it is wrong of him to enjoy the things he has earned, instead he should take the money and keep his business open, no matter what the burden is.

Why, exactly, is that more moral than protecting what he earned and livign out his life the way he wants using the moneys he earned?

Why do you hate the rich so much?

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Originally Posted by ChunkyMonkey

Sorry bud, we produce enough business for my commission driven positions for the newcomers to line up at my front desk asking for position. So yes, I let them go when they start to act up and cherry pick the creme. No two way street here - business is business, no kumbaya BS. It's my money and I built it (hear that obama?) You don't perform, you are outta here! [Muaha][Muaha][Muaha] I learnt long time ago to keep an arm distance from your employees.

It's immoral to want to make money or to be better than the guy next to you? Go join the green peace and volunteer for the cause.

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What the fuck are you talking about?

Jeezus. The lack of reading comprehension here is forcing me to digress into ad hominem attacks and it's just not worth it. I'm not going to repeat myself again if you didn't get it the last three times I said it. You win.

I have one question after reading through this tread. Why should the employees worry? This CEO can easily be replaced. There are a lot of smart people out there. There are a lot of hard workers out there. Or should I just let the man say it.

Wow, I came into this one late...

1. I don't believe business is a two way street. The employer and the employee should both look out for their own individual self interest. To me, that means if I am an employee, I show up to work on time and work harder than anybody else. As an employer, that means that I recognize those hard working employees and try to keep them. Everybody wins when everybody has their best interest in mind. I think I read this somewhere, and highly doubt I came up with it on my own, but it's called an "enlightened self interest".

2. Teufelhund, I think I understand what you're saying. You think he has the right to shut down the business if he so chooses for whatever reason, you just personally don't agree with it for the reason he stated. Fair enough, but I don't agree with you. If he doesn't want to take a pay cut to keep his business going, that's his call. But I think the deeper point is he is saying he will not let the government bully him, and there are consequences for the actions of the government. Whether or not he is sincere in this belief, I do not know.

3. There is what sounds like a lot of bourgeois vs proletariat talk in this thread, and I find it very disheartening.

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Originally Posted by Rucker61

I took a 5% paycut for four years, while my CEO and three EVPs took home bonuses over $12m each. In one year.

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If you had such a problem with the way they did business, why did you work for them? You are part of the problem. If you continued to work for them despite the fact you didn't like the way they did business because you needed the job, then you should be thankful they employed you.

If executives are being paid too much, the fault is with the board of directors who are wasting the stockholders' money. They are not stealing the employees' money - the proceeds of the corporation don't belong to the employees.

Another possibility is that it actually costs a lot of money to hire executives of high caliber.

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Originally Posted by Sharpienads

If you had such a problem with the way they did business, why did you work for them? You are part of the problem. If you continued to work for them despite the fact you didn't like the way they did business because you needed the job, then you should be thankful they employed you.

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You do remember the state of the economy in 2009, I presume? Jobs in high tech in Colorado weren't easy to come by. This was corporate cronyism, pure and simple, and the founders of the company would have kicked these folks to the curb.

It's not speculation. Unless you're purposely clueless, Obamacare WILL increase costs for those in business. The owners of Olive Garden/Red Lobster have also announced they are cutting back full-time workers to 30 hours/wk to keep them part-time in at least 4 markets in order to keep their costs aligned.

What some of you are completely missing is that the man in question has already made his pile. His only question is whether to stay in business and keep employing people -- which he'd prefer to do -- or enjoy the fruits of his prior labors by closing the business and retiring. No doubt some of his employees would find new jobs -- certainly at least some of the time-share resorts he's built will be purchased and continue to be run to service their clients and those resorts will need to employ people -- but he will be relieved of the headache of complying with Obamacare and all the myriad decisions and pressures that go with operating a business.

If you think he's a scumbag for trying to clue people in on what the prices and consequences of going for "free" stuff might be or for deciding what to do with what he has legally earned, then you're a class "A" -- make that class "O" -- idiot. He is under no obligation, legal or moral, to keep running his business just to provide other people a paycheck.

Here's a clue Ridge: most major businesses make long term decisions based on forward speculation. They HAVE to. It's called strategic thinking and planning. Failure to plan is why so many businesses fail or collapse and why people thought they could buy $400K houses with nothing down on a $60K salary during the late 90s and early 00s. In this case, he has strong evidence for his expectation that Obamacare will increase his costs for employment and doing business because it's there in the legislation in black-and-white.

There's no coercion on his part, he's educating his company to the facts. Hell, he's giving them a warning -- the same kind of warning that the Obama administration is bribing or strongarming Lockheed Martin to NOT give their employees before the election.

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Originally Posted by Aloha_Shooter

It's not speculation. Unless you're purposely clueless, Obamacare WILL increase costs for those in business.

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And that's not going to change, regardless of who gets elected.

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Originally Posted by Sharpienads

1. I don't believe business is a two way street. The employer and the employee should both look out for their own individual self interest.

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Business is not a two way street. Loyalty in business is a two way street. You can't demand it if you don't provide it. That was all I've been trying to say!