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06-29-2013, 20:28
centrarchidae

Zimmerman's chance of a fair trial was hit below the waterline on April 29, 1992. I don't know if I'd necessarily place any bets, but the facts and the law aren't going to be the only decision factors in the jury room.

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Originally Posted by battle_sight_zero

Gentlemen who are saying he will be found guilty of 2nd degree murder or a lesser crime , please explain why you feel that way? Personally I have not seen a damm thing brought forth that says this guy is guilty. Witness number 8 the so called Star witness has been caught in lies. If Mr.Zimmerman is convicted on anything I have seen so far presented by prosecutors then that proves our justice system is corrupt and a sham.
06-29-2013, 21:58
jerrymrc

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Originally Posted by centrarchidae

Zimmerman's chance of a fair trial was hit below the waterline on April 29, 1992. I don't know if I'd necessarily place any bets, but the facts and the law aren't going to be the only decision factors in the jury room.

Having sat on a jury last year on a 5 day case that had a lot of he said-she said testimony is everything. When your testimony does not click with the statements you gave then big red flags pop up.

After watching the "star witness" I would not have believed her in the least. Everything after "did he talk to you that day" would go in the flusher.

The bottom line is as always. Prove beyond a reasonable doubt. So far I have not seen anything close.
07-01-2013, 13:14
Hound

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Originally Posted by Hound

This is the beginning and end of it for me, period. ZM could have backed down. In the same way I expect cops to back down and de-escalate when possible, any of us CCing should also. If he had been waiting for the cop (who showed up quickly) he would have been on the road, not in the back of the apts. If this had happened in front of the Apts I might support ZM (depending on what happened). It is hard to defend being in the back for any reason if he thought the guy was dangerous. The cops had been notified, at that point, good job, he is being vigilant. I don't care about all the 911 calls before (just being vigilant). It is when he followed TM that he loses me. If he had just kept him in sight but not close enough to confront, maybe, but it immediatly goes grey at that point. Once there is ANY confrontation, at that point, ZM is in the wrong. He put himself in harms way taking responsibility for ANYTHING that happens after that. Let the cops do their job.

Anybody CCing should know to be non-confrontational unless there is a clear and present danger. Looking suspicious...does not meet that bar.

Remove yourself from confrontation.

I do have to say the prosecuting wittnesses.... Wow. Not what anybody wants to see in a trail like this.

ok, they just showed ZM walking through what happened, from his side. That is plausible, stupid but plausible. He should have stayed in his truck but seeing the layout and hearing his story, if I were on the jury I would have doubt at this point. He says he was not following TM which is if'y but there is a reason for what he says he was doing. I missed the 911 call, which should have caught the WHOLE thing according to his story. Since I have not seen/heard that.... One small issue is the fruadian slip where he said he was covering his mounth and nose (meaning ZM was covering TM's mouth and nose) which he corrected himself to state it was the opposite and he was the victim. The forensic evidence is going to be interesting. What position was the gun fired from? At the ground or into the air?
07-01-2013, 14:51
RblDiver

Well, regardless of whether he's convicted or not, I think he has a chance of getting rich pretty soon. CNN aired some personal info of his, including SSN, DOB, address, etc. http://twitchy.com/2013/07/01/future...curity-number/
07-01-2013, 16:16
davsel

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Originally Posted by Hound

ok, they just showed ZM walking through what happened, from his side. That is plausible, stupid but plausible. He should have stayed in his truck but seeing the layout and hearing his story, if I were on the jury I would have doubt at this point. He says he was not following TM which is if'y but there is a reason for what he says he was doing. I missed the 911 call, which should have caught the WHOLE thing according to his story. Since I have not seen/heard that.... One small issue is the fruadian slip where he said he was covering his mounth and nose (meaning ZM was covering TM's mouth and nose) which he corrected himself to state it was the opposite and he was the victim. The forensic evidence is going to be interesting. What position was the gun fired from? At the ground or into the air?

It really would help your argument that this man is a murderer if you perhaps did a little research and figured out WHAT THE HELL YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT FIRST.

Here's a good place to start:
http://theconservativetreehouse.com/
07-01-2013, 18:48
bellavite1

http://i348.photobucket.com/albums/q...ps505dd64f.jpg
07-01-2013, 18:51
JlazyH

Did He have a CCW?

i watched Zimmerman today explaining the fight he had with Martin just before he shot him. Zimmerman said Martin was on top of him (kicking his ass) when Zimmermans coat pulled up and Martin saw his gun. He said Martin tried to reach for it and that's when Zimmerman pulled it himself and shot him. I am not taking sides at all but I do have my thoughts on it, but. If Zimmermans coat was covering the gun and Martin didn't see it until or during the fight, It seems like it was concealed. Did Zimmerman have a CCW? It probably won't matter but the coat over the gun thing doesn't add up to me?
07-01-2013, 22:27
muddywings

The prosecution's witnesses are winning this for Zimmerman. I'll take back my prediction and change it with he'll be a free man shortly....with a serious issue of identity theft to worry about.
07-01-2013, 22:46
battle_sight_zero

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Originally Posted by JlazyH

i watched Zimmerman today explaining the fight he had with Martin just before he shot him. Zimmerman said Martin was on top of him (kicking his ass) when Zimmermans coat pulled up and Martin saw his gun. He said Martin tried to reach for it and that's when Zimmerman pulled it himself and shot him. I am not taking sides at all but I do have my thoughts on it, but. If Zimmermans coat was covering the gun and Martin didn't see it until or during the fight, It seems like it was concealed. Did Zimmerman have a CCW? It probably won't matter but the coat over the gun thing doesn't add up to me?

Yes he does/did have a CCW, in my thoughts this case is attack from the left on CCW and the right to self defense as much as a racial issue. The left sees an opportunity to kill several birds with one stone here. Not to be rude but I would suggest pulling up some of the trial testimony key moments and then you may see the prosecutions case does not add up http://www.foxnews.com/us/2013/07/01...mmerman-trial/ . Google/Bing Zimmermans pictures on the night of the incident http://www.bing.com/images/search?q=...otos&FORM=IGRE . It may answer your questions about his clothing and also show you the injuries that he received. So far the is appears that the prosecution is faltering, sadly you wont hear that from much of the media, they want George to go to prison forever, but if not they get to encourage the riots to erupt if there is a hung jury or he is found not guilty. In closing this picture of Trayvon at the store where he bought skittles shows a bigger person than the media has portrayed http://mikesamerica.blogspot.com/201...how-up-at.html
07-02-2013, 00:04
sniper7

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Originally Posted by battle_sight_zero

Yes he does/did have a CCW, in my thoughts this case is attack from the left on CCW and the right to self defense as much as a racial issue. The left sees an opportunity to kill several birds with one stone here. Not to be rude but I would suggest pulling up some of the trial testimony key moments and then you may see the prosecutions case does not add up http://www.foxnews.com/us/2013/07/01...mmerman-trial/ . Google/Bing Zimmermans pictures on the night of the incident http://www.bing.com/images/search?q=...otos&FORM=IGRE . It may answer your questions about his clothing and also show you the injuries that he received. So far the is appears that the prosecution is faltering, sadly you wont hear that from much of the media, they want George to go to prison forever, but if not they get to encourage the riots to erupt if there is a hung jury or he is found not guilty. In closing this picture of Trayvon at the store where he bought skittles shows a bigger person than the media has portrayed http://mikesamerica.blogspot.com/201...how-up-at.html

The last link says quite a bit. He wasn't a small kid by any means and definitely not the picture the media has portrayed.
I won't hold anything against him for the gun, we all like guns and probably have some pictures of our guns.
It all comes down to the facts. If he attacked another man, even if being followed he was in the wrong. If Zimmerman attacked him then shot him, he was in the wrong and justice will be served. Hopefully the facts come out and the jury makes the right decision based on facts.

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