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I don't listen to Limbaugh or any talk radio for that matter. I don't watch the news on TV. Hell...I don't watch TV. Which is a little ironic since I bought myself a nice, new 65" 4K, UHD TV when I moved.
But, I'm curious... What is the Irving approved source of information regarding mask wearing?
The only reason the GREAT Governor issued the o
Mask mandate for while only in public buildings is because that is the only place he can enforce it.
On a side note I saw this online.
If Gender is fluid and a person can choose how they identify age is only a number as you can feel and act any age you want. Therefore I choose to identify as a 9 year old while visiting public buildings to forgo wearing a mask so I will not be violating the Communist Mask Mandate our Great Governor Polis issued.
I listen to two radio stations: 1120AM (Catholic radio), which has no political content, and NPR (which obviously is not a conveyor of my political/moral views). I don't watch/listen to Fox News in general, Rush, Tucker, etc. In fact, I'd like to kick both Rush and Carlson in the balls. We do not have a TV service. Our TV is simply a way to pull up YouTube shows while connected to a laptop or watch DVDs.
When I started looking at pre-covid studies on the efficacy of masks, and the negative health implications, along with realizing some previously "valid" studies were suddenly no longer "valid" or at least politically expedient, and being scrubbed (cus that's science!!!!), I decided I was pretty done with caring. If it becomes a "you will care or else," I decided I'd rather take my chances. I'm in a way better situation than 99% of America. No debt. Good savings. Fairly viable for truly remote positions which are being pursued anyway. And healthy and willing to do manual labor if needed to augment things in the interim. When they decided to make a mask the modern equivalent of Mao's Little Red Book, I decided I would become socially illiterate. That might have consequences I cannot foresee, but then again, so does compliance.
I'm similar to you. I listen to podcasts, and not usually about this virus. I don't know what the go to source is. My trust in the government has been damaged when they openly lie, then openly admit to lying. I honestly don't know what to believe. My stance is that since there is conflicting evidence that either side could argue (how is that different than literally ANY other topic?), then people on either side don't really have room to be as angry with the other side as they are.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bailey Guns
As to my comments, I'm not trying to convince people one way or the other, just trying to point out bad logic. Maybe masks don't work. I don't really know. I do know that an argument full of holes isn't going to convince me or anyone else.
No one asked, but my mention of Rush Limbaugh wasn't just a lame jab. I have a certain image in my head of a person that listens to Rush Limbaugh, but I haven't really heard him since I went through a talk radio phase back in high school. I thought I'd listen to a bunch of his radio episodes to see what is actually said so I'm not emoting out of my ass, so to speak. Basically the anti-mask rhetoric I've seen here could have come straight from Limbaugh's mouth. That's not to say that many people can't come to the same conclusions but it seems apparent to me. My parents listen to Rush Limbaugh and say some embarrassingly dumb stuff. I think my mom said something like she won't believe any virus news unless she hears it from Tucker Carlson, and that wearing masks is the same as the Jews wearing stars. It's not 100% fair to apply my interactions with my parents on this topic to members here, but I don't think it's a complete swing and a miss either.
Anyway, carry on. I think this is one of the best discussions we've had in a while and people really seem to be keeping it together. This is healthy.
I'll pass along your feeling about "incompetent healthcare" to my Nurse wife, I'm sure she'll appreciate the sentiment.Quote:
Originally Posted by MrPrena
I'm sure all the "idiots" in this thread that don't believe masking has any measurable benefit for the non-healthcare public at large also appreciate the name calling.
I read text book and clinical studies and use my own math to make conclusion.
I listen to real Healthcare professionals as well.
If I believe 100% of News such as CNBC , FOX business and if they were 85% correct, I would already made about $800m off of watching them.
You're missing my point. I believe government mandates, if any, should be backed up by the numbers and data, not just a few months of the mob parroting "masks aren't to protect you, they're to protect others". That's not science. Regardless if that notion is actually true or not, the rub is if the situation warrants such a response. My opinion is it does not. Masks protecting others is ALWAYS true. So why don't we mandate it ALL the time. During flu season, during cold season, etc.Quote:
Originally Posted by Aloha_Shooter
The data TODAY, suggests the epidemic is NOT getting worse where it counts...deaths. People just getting sick and feeling icky does not justify government emergency mandates. That's where we are now. Deaths are way down and hospitalizations are way down. Lots of people were dying in March and April and we didn't mandate masks. Now, very few people are dying, despite vastly increased positive test rates for well over a month, so why add additional government mandated emergency restrictions now?
Add that to the actual, real world results we're seeing that many areas with high mask usage (Metro area counties have had very high compliance for months) are not showing a lower case rate than areas with lower compliance like El Paso county as you mentioned.
Metro Denver, Jefferson, Arapaho and Adams (1,137, 898, 547, 972 cases/per 100k respectively) vs 491/100k in El Paso County. Hell, even Boulder County with it's high mask compliance has the same cases rate as El Paso.
And let's look at another real world comparison. Sweden has a population roughly double that of Colorado. Yes, their death rate is higher, but the "flattening of the curve" follows nearly the same as what we have seen in Colorado. No lockdown/no masks vs lockdown/masks. Similar results?
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And I'm going to say this one more time because everyone who argues against this emergency government mandate is immediately labeled an anti-masker or written off as a "selfish bastard".
I am not anti-mask.
I believe mask use can benefit public health
I personally wear a mask in businesses that require them.
I am anti government mandate. ESPECIALLY when the situation is improving. And ESPECIALLY when the Governor himself nor anyone else can cite the actual C.R.S. that would allow them to enforce it let alone actually create the mandate.
I don't plan on dying on this hill. I'm not arguing in favor of non-compliance. But I am going to argue that it is over-reach, regardless how easy it is for everyone to just comply. That is a slippery slope. No I don't think the next step is trains and reeducation camps. But in reality, the mob is already demanding the Gov cancel fall school...for the children. That's absurd. We are already slipping. There is a real possibility that this doesn't end with just masks.
[I]24-33.5-704.5-1-IV
(e) In the event of an emergency epidemic that has been declared a disaster emergency, the committee shall convene as rapidly and as often as necessary to advise the governor, who shall act by executive order, regarding reasonable and appropriate measures to reduce or prevent spread of the disease, agent, or toxin and to protect the public health. Such measures may include:
(I) Procuring or taking supplies of medicines and vaccines;
(II) Ordering physicians and hospitals to transfer or cease admission of patients or perform medical examinations of persons;
(III) Isolating or quarantining persons or property;
(IV) Determining whether to seize, destroy, or decontaminate property or objects that may threaten the public health;
(V) Determining how to safely dispose of corpses and infectious waste;
(VI) Assessing the adequacy and potential contamination of food and water supplies;
(VII) Providing mental health support to affected persons; and
(VIII) Informing the citizens of the state how to protect themselves, what actions are being taken to control the epidemic, and when the epidemic is over.[/
When it comes to members of this community, I always the appreciate the amount of effort that hollohas puts into his posts. He always seems to go above and beyond crafting an argument and listing sources that help him form his opinions.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bailey Guns
Feinstein says no coronavirus stimulus money for states that don?t mandate masks
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That would make sense if the number of deaths was reflected in the increase in infection numbers. That isn't the case. So if you're playing games with the numbers, how is this not a political issue?Quote:
Sen. Dianne Feinstein, D-Calif., said states that refuse to mandate face masks should be cut off from federal funds because they are putting the public health of Americans at risk.
Feinstein said she'll offer an amendment to upcoming Senate coronavirus relief legislation to block money to states that have resisted a mask mandate.
"Wearing masks in public should be mandatory. Period," Feinstein said in a statement Thursday.
"...The situation is getting worse daily. Several states including California, Alabama and Montana already require masks in public," Feinstein continued. "This should be universal. My hope has been that other governors would show the leadership to institute their own mask mandates, but so far that hasn?t happened. It?s time for Congress to step in. This is a matter of life or death, and partisan politics shouldn?t play a role.?
Some states are having no issue with C-19, so why should they be forced into something they don't need? Because the federal political elites say so?