CEO to Workers: I May Fire You if Obama Wins....

There is no loyalty in Business.
If they can hire someone else to do your job for less and not get sued in the process, you are gone.
The impact to 'performance' is secondary.

Do NOT kid yourself.
They are chasing that bottom line ALLOT harder and you are a liability.

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Originally Posted by Byte Stryke

There is no loyalty in Business.
If they can hire someone else to do your job for less and not get sued in the process, you are gone.
The impact to 'performance' is secondary.

Do NOT kid yourself.
They are chasing that bottom line ALLOT harder and you are a liability.

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Exactly. and it doesn't matter if you are union or not. at that point they take the company into bankruptcy and force their will and renegotiate contracts etc. just look at the airlines. that's how they got it done.

I have come to the conclusion after reading many of the responses in this thread that a lot of you are truly part of the problem.

Disheartening to say the least.

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Originally Posted by Bailey Guns

I have come to the conclusion after reading many of the responses in this thread that a lot of you are truly part of the problem.

Disheartening to say the least.

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Which side are you chosing, I am pretty sure I can guess since you were a business owner yourself, but just want to make sure!

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Originally Posted by sniper7

Which side are you chosing, I am pretty sure I can guess since you were a business owner yourself, but just want to make sure!

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Oh...you're sure.

I took all of my retirement savings, quit a very good, well paying job where I had a real future, paid taxes/penalties on the money I took out, and took on a substantial financial risk to start my business from scratch without any help from employees.

I kept the business going even through financially challenging times. I always paid my employee(s) and others what I told them I'd pay them.

When the bills came in, I paid them. When the money didn't come in, the employee(s) still got their paycheck and went home without worrying about how I was going to pay the bills.

I didn't have many, but I did have a couple. 1 full time and 2 or 3 part time in various capacities (bookkeeper, etc...). They were all good employees but they didn't assume any of the risk. They did reap the rewards of my, and their, work. That was the deal.

When it came time to get out, I did. And I did quite well. But I don't feel like I owed anything to anyone other than myself. No one was entitled to what I made when I sold out other than me. That's the bottom line. I built it, I reaped the rewards.

You don't like it that business owners have that prerogative? Tough shit. Start you own business and run it how you like.

That's the way I run my current business. And I don't have employees this time. Much easier.

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Originally Posted by Sharpienads

Wow, I came into this one late...

1. I don't believe business is a two way street. The employer and the employee should both look out for their own individual self interest. To me, that means if I am an employee, I show up to work on time and work harder than anybody else. As an employer, that means that I recognize those hard working employees and try to keep them. Everybody wins when everybody has their best interest in mind. I think I read this somewhere, and highly doubt I came up with it on my own, but it's called an "enlightened self interest".

2. Teufelhund, I think I understand what you're saying. You think he has the right to shut down the business if he so chooses for whatever reason, you just personally don't agree with it for the reason he stated. Fair enough, but I don't agree with you. If he doesn't want to take a pay cut to keep his business going, that's his call. But I think the deeper point is he is saying he will not let the government bully him, and there are consequences for the actions of the government. Whether or not he is sincere in this belief, I do not know.

3. There is what sounds like a lot of bourgeois vs proletariat talk in this thread, and I find it very disheartening.



If you had such a problem with the way they did business, why did you work for them? You are part of the problem. If you continued to work for them despite the fact you didn't like the way they did business because you needed the job, then you should be thankful they employed you.

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I agree with most of what you say, coming from a hard working employee and working my way up the chain, to having my own lot, and employees under me. Business is business. As I told my friends, you are not my friend at work, you are my employee. You don't have to be nice, nothing requires you to be nice when you are at the top. One of the things that gets you to the top is doing what needs to be done. If he wants to be nice and cut some of his own gain, that's his deal, but he doesn't have to and the people who have a problem with it should either start their own business so they don't have to deal with someone like him in the future, or get over it and stop whining like a lefty. If I was his employee would I like it? No. If I were him, would I want to cut my personal gains? No. So, where do you draw the line? You could be nice and cut into your own budget, but I'm guessing that not many people on this board would actually do that (arm chair quaterbacking again). It's his business to run as he will, when some of you accomplish the same, you might change your mind.

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Originally Posted by Bailey Guns

I have come to the conclusion after reading many of the responses in this thread that a lot of you are truly part of the problem.

Disheartening to say the least.

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Yes they are and yes it is.

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Originally Posted by dwalker460

I think we have some basic misunderstandings as to wealth, so maybe this will help clarify-

No matter how much you have, its yours. Its not yours and the governments, or yours and your neighbors, its yours. Now some people, they hit a comfort zone and could care less about making more, but threaten to pull them out of that comfort zone and they circle the wagons and cut costs and may even try harder to increase income.
Others never get enough. A single dime loss on their balance sheet is a cause for alarm. Now, a socialist will say, its morally wrong to have all that wealth and not want to help people out, or lose a little bit for the greater good. Eff that. Its morally wrong to ask me to hurt myself to help you, and I am the one who gets to define what hurt is.

Personally I trade currency a lot, so I am very aware of movement in the markets. Some days I can bank $10K, just by clicking a few keys and risking a little money. Some days I lose. And no matter how small that loss is, No matter how much I bank- literally I could make 5k on one trade and turn around and lose $200 and it would bug me all day- I hate it. Its part of the process, but I hate it and do everything I can to avoid it. If it ever got to the point I felt I was going to lose more than win, I would get out.

No difference with the resort king in the article or any other business man, if the costs outweigh the benefits, if the risk is too great, its time to get out. Doesnt matter if he has 100billion sitting in the bank and could support the business and the employees for the rest of his life, if it puts him out of his comfort level, that that.

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I concur! [Beer]

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Originally Posted by dwalker460

BTW, you sound an awful lot like Obaloney-

It wont hurt the RICH to give a little more, they can afford it.

Like its morally wrong to hold on to what hes earned.

I think maybe you should ponder morals a bit. It seems a lot more morally wrong to condemn someone who is protecting what they have earned because they dont want to just "do without the elevator" in the house they fought to keep so that the government can soak them and cost them more money every time they turn around. Not sure this is hard to understand, but your really basically saying that it is wrong of him to enjoy the things he has earned, instead he should take the money and keep his business open, no matter what the burden is.

Why, exactly, is that more moral than protecting what he earned and livign out his life the way he wants using the moneys he earned?

Why do you hate the rich so much?

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Can I buy you a beer? Well put! [Beer]

Teufelhund- I echo this, as I'm friends with a lot of business owners (family included). Why do you hate the wealthy so much? Saying that because they make cuts to maintain their living makes them a "bad guy." Really? Do you hold a grudge or something? You were fired by someone who was successful in business weren't you? And may I point you to the philosophical learning of Ayn Rand. She said the virtue of selfishness is helping yourself and voluntary help of other when you are not at risk of hurting your own position, but it is wholly wrong to be forced to help others (this is a stab at welfare) even if it only slightly hurts you.