Help me tear apart this frightening video.

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Originally Posted by Ronin13

HoneyBadger hit it perfectly... Have you ever been in a CQB training situation? Real world CQB? I've been in training and they mess you up bad if you sweep someone. What they don't show in those BUD/S videos is how many pushups and how many instructors are in your face if you sweep a teammate. Safety is serious shit. I wouldn't go out with the guys in the OP... ever. They just wanna look cool, and I'd rather look uncool and not get shot.

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You are making my point. I wasn't justifying sweeps - I am just saying they happen. In training (where you are supposed get your ass chewed) and in real life. It was in response to those saying that the sweeps, in of themselves, deny any legitmacy to the training - and that it doesnt happen with real world people. It does, from the 1C2Xs, 18Xs to the 11Bs and everyone in-between.

Again not justifying the video in any way. Just clarifying that if you are going to deny it then do it for the right reasons (and there are many).

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Originally Posted by akumadiavolo

I can't help it, I'm an ass man.

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You're an ASS! ...man

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Originally Posted by asmo

You are making my point. I wasn't justifying sweeps - I am just saying they happen. In training (where you are supposed get your ass chewed) and in real life. It was in response to those saying that the sweeps, in of themselves, deny any legitmacy to the training - and that it doesnt happen with real world people. It does, from the 1C2Xs, 18Xs to the 11Bs and everyone in-between.

Again not justifying the video in any way. Just clarifying that if you are going to deny it then do it for the right reasons (and there are many).

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Yes, they do happen, but they shouldn't. 3-Days of shoot house training (CQB), day 1, sweep, instructors break the violator down (dry run, no ammo). Day 2 and 3... ZERO sweeps. Amateurs train until they get it right. Professionals train until they get it wrong. Clearly the OP video showed a bunch of amateurs who need to train more, and should probably work without rounds the first few times until they don't sweep their partners. I should have clarified in my post that dry run is so you can ID the problem areas. I'd rather train and have an empty chamber sweep me and the guy learn the mistake so it's not made on a hot run.

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Originally Posted by asmo

Where is the hot chick?

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Erika dude. http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature...&v=np9j77NHxlk

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q11pqA420pI

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Originally Posted by SuperiorDG

Erika dude. http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature...&v=np9j77NHxlk

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q11pqA420pI

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The best is that I'm at work so I have to watch this without sound.

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Originally Posted by tmleadr03

Video's like these are why I don't like going shooting with people. I went out with one of Gabe and another guy from arfcom and the guy from arfcom had never met Gabe and I. Showed up with a bullet resistant vest on. I thought it was weird at the time, then I go watch these vids and think nope, under careful.

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Not all shooting events are like that. I have been out to the Northern Colorado IDPA shoots and they are very conscious about safety. 1 sweep and you are gone, even across yourself. I was cautioned for a possible sweep of my thumb during a re-holster (it was a crap neoprene holster used in a pinch causing the problem). The shit you would catch sweeping somebody else like that pic... don't wanna think about it. Running 5 or 6 scenarios at a time with only one person locked and loaded at a time, RO watching and walking with you, everybody giving constructive criticism on technique, safety, etc. They are not all like these vids or the FBI statistics would be much worse. Are you kidding me with being down range taking pics!!!!!! That place gives all of us a bad name.

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Originally Posted by Hound

Are you kidding me with being down range taking pics!!!!!! That place gives all of us a bad name.

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Yeah, that's full retard right there. If you ever watch the Magpul Dynamics videos, they always position a camera downrange and pretty much hope that it doesn't move, because no one is manning it if it's on the receiving end of the firing line.

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Just Messin' that was stupid. Don't train with those idiots!

Man, I'd rather go train with Parker PD than those guys

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It's interesting to me to see some of the responses in this thread. I think there are at least a couple of points worth addressing.

You don't have to be a gunfighter to teach people safe gun handling and marksmanship.

Not flagging your buddy is basic weapons safety. If you can't reliably handle the basics, you have no business moving on to something more advanced.

CQB (definitely an advanced skill set) involves processing massive amounts of information while moving, target discriminating, using better than average marksmanship and applying the previously mentioned safe gun handling. And it's doing all of that faster than someone else who's trying to kill you. CQB is chess to the square range's checkers.

To properly instruct someone in an advanced skill like CQB, you need to be a subject matter expert (with the depth of experience that implies) and be able to deconstruct everything to its most basic components.

Generally that means that the instructor has received formal instruction in CQB operations at a MIL or LEO unit, trained for and conducted CQB operations and finally instructed students in CQB within the framework of a unit that has established and successful SOPs.

Watching videos or attending a one week class just don't cut it.

If the instructor at the CQB class you're looking at can't or won't supply credentials to support teaching advanced skills, go elsewhere.

If the instructor can't handle being questioned on a TTP, go elsewhere.

If the instructor can't adequately explain why he's teaching what he's teaching, go elsewhere.

We, here in Colorado, had two classes taught by former Tier 1 operators canceled in the last two months due to lack of interest. I know time, ammo and money are tight right now. Don't waste them training with people that are regurgitating whatever lessons they could cherry pick after hanging around true SMEs.

I'm strictly an end user here. I just hate to see bad information get passed to good folks who want to learn but don't know what they don't know.