Bills in Colorado House to repeal gun laws enacted last year

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Originally Posted by sniper7

I want my full autos back. Over the counter no forms for purchases of everything. I want to buy a suppressor from walmart. I want to buy a belt fed from tractor supply. And I want to buy a surplus hummer with an m2 a a trunk full of ammo included!

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Originally Posted by milwaukeeshaker

Sniper, I know you are being humorous, but I agree, you should be able to do all those things with no problems, permits, fees, or regulations.

Shall not be infringed.

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I think we're all in agreement here on this point. Getting off into the weeds about an imaginary defacto registry is what gets these threads all twisted up.

At this point it is not a question of compromise. There was no compromise because neither side was listening. BCG's are the law of the land and as the Trading Post shows.... Most of us are complying......... because we are law abiding. It is now a question getting back to something better than where not compromising has gotten us. A full win would be a repeal, but the defeatest attitude around here seems to have forgotten throwing three of the bastards out last year. So... In light of that, don't call it compromise.... Call it winning back some of what we lost because "WE" don't compromise and remeber this. When you don't compromise, don't listen and go for all or nothing........... Sometimes your winning's........... Are "NOTHING"

To be clear this works both ways as three of the Dems learned last year. We all need to learn to listen more.

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Originally Posted by Hound

A full win would be a repeal, but the defeatest attitude around here seems to have forgotten throwing three of the bastards out last year.

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Unfortunately the "thrown out" have been replaced by more of the same now. It was short lived. Sad.

I'm sorry, but "imaginary" is your opinion. Mine is the GOVT can NEVER be trusted, so to me it's almost a 99% chance that there is a list. You have no more proof that a registry does not exist than I do that one does. We should be able to discuss this possibility with input from both sides, rationally, without some individuals going derogatory.

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Originally Posted by brutal

I think we're all in agreement here on this point. Getting off into the weeds about an imaginary defacto registry is what gets these threads all twisted up.

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Originally Posted by milwaukeeshaker

I'm sorry, but "imaginary" is your opinion. Mine is the GOVT can NEVER be trusted, so to me it's almost a 99% chance that there is a list. You have no more proof that a registry does not exist than I do that one does. We should be able to discuss this possibility with input from both sides, rationally, without some individuals going derogatory.

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While I understand your philosophical point, you're wrong about "no more proof". We have statutes that prohibit registries at the state level, testimony from FFLs and LE personnel, etc. saying the registry doesn't exist versus an unsubstantiated allegation. Go ahead and discuss calmly and rationally PLEASE but one side of the debate DOES have more substantial evidence than the other.

I am with you on "IF" there is a list and it pisses me off to even think about it. It is worth getting in a twist about.

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Originally Posted by milwaukeeshaker

I'm sorry, but "imaginary" is your opinion. Mine is the GOVT can NEVER be trusted, so to me it's almost a 99% chance that there is a list. You have no more proof that a registry does not exist than I do that one does. We should be able to discuss this possibility with input from both sides, rationally, without some individuals going derogatory.

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Since it's been proven that a gun can be traced to it's last "registered" owner time and time again, I don't personally see how anyone could deny that a defacto registry exists. I think it is a registry with the consistency of swiss cheese..... but I think the more laws passed on collecting data, the more solid it gets as the holes are filled in.

Well said. A gun bought today in CO that never leaves CO can be fully traced assuming all laws are followed meaning..... There is a registry. This cannot be denied. All the holes are filled nicely.

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Originally Posted by GunsRBadMMMMKay

Since it's been proven that a gun can be traced to it's last "registered" owner time and time again, I don't personally see how anyone could deny that a defacto registry exists. I think it is a registry with the consistency of swiss cheese..... but I think the more laws passed on collecting data, the more solid it gets as the holes are filled in.

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The tracing of individual guns is really not all that useful to a police state, they don't really need a registry of guns per se, just gun owners.

The combination of 4473s, CHLs, NFA, Credit Card transaction records, NRA and other gun organization membership, firearms forums, email lists and other sundry data pools means that I guarantee you that all levels of government know who the gun owners are.

So registration as a means of creating lists of doors to kick in aren't really the goal of things like universal BGCs. The point of UBGCs is as a simple irritant and vexation that makes gun ownership just slightly more onerous to discourage as many non gun owners as possible from crossing over into the gun camp. And frankly just plane old spite ... they hate us simply because we disagree with them and if they can spit in our eye they will ... I believe it was Justin that put the gun laws that passed in perspective calling them nothing more than "counting coup in the culture war".

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Originally Posted by Hound

Well said. A gun bought today in CO that never leaves CO can be fully traced assuming all laws are followed meaning..... There is a registry. This cannot be denied. All the holes are filled nicely.

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A registry matches a gun's serial number with a name in a database, right? How do the authorities get the serial number to start the tracking process?