Funny email from a crazy liberal

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Originally Posted by nynco

Why do you guys who are against universal healthcare automatically assume all systems are like Canada or England? We are the only industrialized nation without universal healthcare. There are countless other systems out there to look at too. We have the benefit of being able to learn from all the systems as to what works and what does not. Obamas remedy was horrible in my opinion. He did not change any of the root rot. He only made it worse by forcing Americans to have to buy into the current mess.

Equal rights for gays and abortion rights.... well the real conservative (not religious right position) is to let the individual decide. I agree with people like Barry Goldwater on these issues.

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because I fly with guys from multiple countries and all have said the systems from their home countries are much worse, and to get anything taken care of quickly it was at a large out of pocket expense. I will believe the people I fly with and work with above what I read on the internet.

I also work with a lot of gays, and most of them are really good people who don't push their lifestyle and beliefs on you. we see a lot of the extremism from their side on tv or in the news just as they see our baby killing machine gun murderers on the news as well. I honestly don't care what they do as long as they are trying to push their beliefs all over me.

as for abortion rights, I used to lean a bit more toward the left on that issue and be more along side with womens rights. but now with a baby on the way and watching how fast things progress and watching that little person being developed inside a woman, I feel strongly that if an abortion is the decision it needs to be done extremely quick, and prefer it really only in the cases of incest and rape or life threatening to the mother. Just look at pictures of how fast kids develop. You won't have the same connection as if it were your own kid, but hopefully my point is made a little stronger.

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Originally Posted by nynco

Are their systems perfect? Far from it. But at least their system covers all citizens. Ours fails at that miserably.

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what about welfare if you are in that situation and section 8 housing and social security and medicare and medicaid and planned parenthood.

sucking on the government tit has got to stop.

somehow these poverty stricken people are able to have the newest cellphones and keep their contracts, designer shoes and clothes, big rims on their cars or brand new trucks while living 10 to a single family home. something tells me their healthcare isn't in their top 5 priorities.

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Originally Posted by Irving

Unions were created to fight against unsafe work conditions. Eventually the government came along with organizations like OSHA and others to regulate working conditions. Now unions only serve to line the pockets of union bosses.

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Unions are still a necessary evil. companies want to make money for their investors, owners and shareholders. the workers want the company to succeed but to also make a good wage with good working environment.
I am in a union, and although I hate to give up my dues each month and there is corruption, they are still a necessary evil to protect our labor group from the company and what it would like to do if not for our contract and the national union and government backing as well as arbitration when it gets to that point.

Too much has happened in this thread since I looked at it last night. I've been left behind.

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Originally Posted by sniper7

Unions are still a necessary evil. companies want to make money for their investors, owners and shareholders. the workers want the company to succeed but to also make a good wage with good working environment.
I am in a union, and although I hate to give up my dues each month and there is corruption, they are still a necessary evil to protect our labor group from the company and what it would like to do if not for our contract and the national union and government backing as well as arbitration when it gets to that point.

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I've never been in a Union in my whole life.

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Originally Posted by Tor Larson

20 million illegals aren't going back home- not gonna happen.

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Actually many of them ARE going home due to the lack of jobs here. So far this is the only positive effect of Obama, Reid and Pilosi's pograms (its unintentional but I guess one should give credit where credit is due :p ).

There's no need to "round 'em up" ... just create an environment where illegals have a harder time finding work (by coming down hard on businesses that knowingly hire them) and you'll find them deciding to go home on their own.

We won't get rid of all of them, but get the numbers down under 10 million and they become significantly less a drag on the system.

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Originally Posted by Irving

I've never been in a Union in my whole life.

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Same here ... and I never will either.

Growing up in Wichita Kansas I saw how the Machinists Union stole from the aircraft workers (Boeing, Cessna, Learjet and Hawker-Beechcraft have much of their operations there), made them strike when it suited the union leadership (thus harming the workers even further ... it takes several years for a worker to recover from a strike ... but the union bosses are made richer) and turned honest, decent working people into greedy, lazy, glorified welfare recipients.

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Originally Posted by Irving

Too much has happened in this thread since I looked at it last night. I've been left behind.

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Haha, same here.

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Originally Posted by Zundfolge

Actually many of them ARE going home due to the lack of jobs here. So far this is the only positive effect of Obama, Reid and Pilosi's pograms (its unintentional but I guess one should give credit where credit is due :p ).

There's no need to "round 'em up" ... just create an environment where illegals have a harder time finding work (by coming down hard on businesses that knowingly hire them) and you'll find them deciding to go home on their own.

We won't get rid of all of them, but get the numbers down under 10 million and they become significantly less a drag on the system.
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Growing up in Wichita Kansas I saw how the Machinists Union stole from the aircraft workers (Boeing, Cessna, Learjet and Hawker-Beechcraft have much of their operations there), made them strike when it suited the union leadership (thus harming the workers even further ... it takes several years for a worker to recover from a strike ... but the union bosses are made richer) and turned honest, decent working people into greedy, lazy, glorified welfare recipients.

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I agree, I think by making it damn near impossible to find work will force them to leave, but the problem is: so many companies operate under the radar and "appropriate" funding to pay borderjumpers under the table that it all slips through the cracks, even when it comes time for an audit. So what do we do? Create another .gov entity and name it the "Illegal Workforce Enforcement Agency"? Hardly think that will work. It's too often that these cases don't get the attention they deserve, companies are fined- which the owners/managers should realize that if caught they could be forced out of business and just put more people out of work- bad, yes, but employees should report illegal practices, just like if a air bag manufacturer put a bunch of frangible pieces on top of the bag.

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Originally Posted by Irving

Too much has happened in this thread since I looked at it last night. I've been left behind.

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Me too.

We never got to hear if the OP banged the whacko chick or not...

Bang her, I am sure she does not have many hangups [Beer]