Gonna be a mess - got an excuse to agitate

Speaking honestly here, if LEO busted into my house with a typical ram my pants would be down even if I thought it was a dozen homeboys rolling in. I'm not ordinarily ready to kill someone within 0.5 seconds when I'm in my home.

Now, ymmv, I'm not speaking ill of anyone who carries in their home. I don't think her boyfriend fits the bill of upstanding citizen, in-home ccw. I'm pretty sure he was paranoid and ready for the wrong reasons.

Nothing that either of them deserved to die over, not justifying the no knock here, that's been discussed to death several times.

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Originally Posted by hollohas

I can recall at least one case in which the homeowner shot at, and hit, police who no-knocked the wrong house. By some sort of miracle, the homeowner wasn't killed.

Charges against the homeowner were considered but never went through IIRC.

Sucks for the officer that got shot (he lived) but charges against that homeowner would have been inappropriate in that case too.

I'll try to dig up the story...

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https://www.odmp.org/officer/6727-po...franklin-house

I don't necessarily disagree that's it's wrong. But, whoever you're talking about didn't get indicted "because it's wrong"...they got indicted (OK...I'm guessing here) because they made a mistake.

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https://www.odmp.org/officer/6727-po...franklin-house

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Nope. Not that one. That dude being barricaded sounds like maybe he WAS actually a bad guy...

Edit: hard to Google old stories right now...everything is coming up about Taylor...

https://www.yahoo.com/lifestyle/uncl...184541912.html

Apparently calling "uncle" is the problem, not the solution. I think we can rest assured that tomorrow will be a peaceful, sunshiney day, as all the progressive/socialist/anarchists have been satisfied with their coopted campaign against racism fixing such troubling issues in the US.

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Originally Posted by hollohas

Nope. Not that one. That dude being barricaded sounds like maybe he WAS actually a bad guy...

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The whole ODMP version is basically a big lie. Guy was asleep, they wanted his son. They ended up with a pipe used for smoking pot. They used a no knock for a pot pipe based on bad information. There was no barricade, drugs, etc.

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Originally Posted by hollohas

I can recall at least one case in which the homeowner shot at, and hit, police who no-knocked the wrong house. By some sort of miracle, the homeowner wasn't killed.

Charges against the homeowner were considered but never went through IIRC.

Sucks for the officer that got shot (he lived) but charges against that homeowner would have been inappropriate in that case too.

I'll try to dig up the story...

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This is the one I was thinking of. Two officers were shot, not one as I remembered. Blurs the lines a bit regarding a true no-knock because technically they did knock before forcing entry at the wrong home.

https://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/ma...ng-house-raid/

Uh oh. Not good. Reports are that an officer has been shot in the riots tonight.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...lor-death.html

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Originally Posted by Bailey Guns

That's nothing more than an emotional rant against no-knock warrants. You may not like them, I may not like them, but saying they're "unconstitutional" is just your opinion and not the opinion of courts that've upheld them. Yes, they get abused occasionally. But they clearly serve a purpose in some circumstances and can be a valuable LE tool.

At any rate, saying "Kick down my door and you are a thug~!" and "And this is why we have AR-15's..." serves no purpose other than chest beating. It's also a near guaranteed way to get yourself killed should the police ever kick down your door. The probability of which, by the way, is probably statistically a 0% chance. Look...I don't want my door to get kicked down by anyone, including the police. But I don't engage in the kind of behavior where that might be a problem. On the other hand, yes, sometimes the police make mistakes and it can be tragic. But why make it worse and wind up dead?

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No knock raids are a product of the war on drugs, which rationally hasn't had much of an effect. Eliminating no knock raids would be number one on my list of "police reforms". Of course the narrative no longer includes reasonable reforms.

I'm sure President Biden will bring about some reforms of this nature. I know some dyed in the wool Republicans saying they are not sure of Trump anymore. Maybe we need somebody else at the helm. Somebody promoting peace, not somebody saying he saw riot police beating protesters and it was a beautiful thing.