Morning all. Fairly warm Monday. Hope everyone has a good one!
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Morning all. Fairly warm Monday. Hope everyone has a good one!
65 forecasted for Thursday. Might have to call in sick...
You laugh, but we leave our dog outside for long periods of time (sometimes several hours in good weather) and we don't have a fence of any sort. He knows 18 different commands and follows them well. He doesn't tear up the house or get into trouble when we leave him home alone for 9-10 hours every day. He just turned 2 and is very much still a puppy.Quote:
Originally Posted by Great-Kazoo
Why wouldn't 100yds be adequate for testing? Ignoring environmental factors like wind, shouldn't the accuracy translate from 100yds to 300yds with a factor of 3? Am I showing my lack of shooting knowledge/skill? [Dunno]Quote:
Originally Posted by BuffCyclist
Can you believe this guy?! Sheesh... noobs, amiright?! [Shake]Quote:
Originally Posted by HoneyBadger
[LOL]
What I was referring to is a ladder test, where you shoot one round at each charge, aiming at the same point. What happens, is more powder equals faster bullet speed equals higher up on the target, effectively climbing a ladder. If you do it correctly, you'll notice a few rounds cluster together vertically closer than the others, that is effectively a "node" and where your rifle will be most accurate, because the muzzle will be at the top (or stopped) of a node in a sine wave pattern from the harmonics of the barrel. Everything I read about this said start at 200yds and work out 100yds each iteration.
The longer distance you shoot, the longer the ladder will be which presumably means the nodes will be easier to spot.
That's actually a very good explanation. Thank you. Yes, I'm a noob. [Tooth]Quote:
Originally Posted by BuffCyclist
Yea, me too, at least to precision shooting/reloading. There is a lot of debate online whether Ladder test, OCW (optimal charge weight), shooting for groups, or using a chronograph to get single digit StdDev's is the most precise way of determining the best load data for a rifle. That's why I asked. I want to start testing loads for my rifle so I can start reloading at that charge to have ammo on hand, but wasn't sure which is the smarter way to go about picking that load.Quote:
Originally Posted by HoneyBadger
You may want to have a peek at this: http://optimalchargeweight.embarqspa...ons/4529817134Quote:
Originally Posted by BuffCyclist
Yea, that's what I've been looking at for the correct method of the OCW test. But this link was making me question which is a better method:Quote:
Originally Posted by brutal
http://forum.snipershide.com/snipers...-powderin.html
It seems to me that reducing STDEV would be "a" best approach assuming one knows the rifle's inherent accuracy. This eliminates shooter error and besides it's all up to god (physics) anyway after the bullet leaves the barrel.Quote:
Originally Posted by BuffCyclist
Hey hoes.
Let's go.
Mondays suck ass.
pull your head out of it and see the sunshine [Coffee]Quote:
Originally Posted by hghclsswhitetrsh
i see someone just rolled outta bed from their nap all froggy.Quote:
Originally Posted by Great-Kazoo
Lighten up Francis.Quote:
Originally Posted by HoneyBadger
Besides if you cannot control at the very least, the basics of your pet, why have one? We have certain expectations with our dogs. Unless we work with them, how can we achieve that goal. Owning a dog [s] isn't some oh mommy look a puppy can we get him, gig. it's as much if not more than dealing with your kid[s]
StripesQuote:
Originally Posted by Great-Kazoo
Who's your buddy...........Who's your palQuote:
Originally Posted by bogie
"And YOU, the one that wanted to make it with the cow?..... I wanna party with this guy".
Howdy fellers.
Decent Monday for me, maybe I can keep the streak going.
eh, I was close.
Hitting lesson material hard tonight, got some other shit to take care of first.
Later homies.
Waving at OBC from highway. :)
Am passenger not texting while driving.
Lobbed from my electronic ball and chain
Got my rifle zeroed in 6 shots, then used another 14 to fine tune and think I got it dialed in. First time shooting prone, I think I like it! I meant to take a picture for you guys of my setup titled "A Little Monday Yoga", because yes, I used my wife's old yoga mat as a shooting mat and it worked great!
Top large dot is 50yds getting on paper and working down. Bottom left dot is the first group of "5", and I pulled the shot (said a naughty word immediately after pulling trigger and before checking) so I moved to the middle dot without shooting the fifth shot. On the bottom middle, it kept wandering down so I dialed up .2mil and then reset myself in my position. Bottom right dot is the final group of 5. I'd like to say I pulled/jerked the shot on the top edge, but I didn't. All in all, not bad and I'm pretty impressed with how this rifle shoots! It will definitely only get better as I become more used to shooting prone and get a lot more dry fire practice in to learn the trigger.
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Originally Posted by BuffCyclist
Shoot multiple rounds at each charge, but not all of a particular charge in a string. Keep the same POA for all shots. 200-300 is where you'll start to see some decent spreading, yet still be able to keep it on the broad side of a barn. The farther the better.
the hard part with this testing is spotting which hit comes from which load. The basic thought says that the higher the charge, the higher the impact on the target. That's difficult to do if you've got an SD of 40 and an ES of 70.
For what I'm trying to get done, I'm not concerned with 100 yard shots. I want to know how this ammo/gun combo does at distance.
Shoot one round from each charge weight, then repeat. Take note of where every round hit before you take the next shot.
What you described in the first 2 paragraphs was the Ladder test, but with more than 1 shot per charge, right? The OCW test is shooting 3 rounds (1 of bullet A at target 1, 1 of bullet B at target 2, 1 of bullet C at target 3, etc) at their own target and comparing the clusters of groupings.Quote:
Originally Posted by TheBelly
I got my rifle zeroed today, so the next time I'm able to go (and spend more than at most an hour like today), I'll take my reloads and do the OCW test at 100yds, then when I find the nodes and develop more refined, will move that out to 200yds.
Oh, and any of you guys ever bake brownie cookies?
Wait a minute... I need to stop right there after "Any of you guys ever bake..." [ROFL1]
The recipe was on a box of Ghiradelli mix, my wife decided she only wanted to wait 10min for brownie cookies instead of 45min for the tray. They came out tasting exactly like brownies, except that every brownie cookie was an edge piece. Perfectly crispy, yet still with a gooey center. Delicious!!
omgurd!!!
dear wine out of a coors like can... you suck.
head ache inboound
You guys need to turn to The Learning Channel. "Outrageous 911 Calls". Non emergency stuff. People are so retarded....
Yep, Mrs HoneyBadger makes those frequently. :)Quote:
Originally Posted by BuffCyclist
man, I really need to get out to the range... I've got cabin fever!
All that algebra is too much for my mind....
but yeah, I need to get shooting also. Shitty weather and stuff....Friday afternoons and weekends IS my window. I'm also gonna be down my AR for a bit, getting it more gooder.
Hope we have a decent Tuesday.
Nite, fellers.
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Originally Posted by BuffCyclist
I'm glad this gun is working for you. As hard as I lobbied for it, I would be legitimately embarrassed if it didn't shoot.
Now that you know that the gun works and that you can put a few into a small group, there is NO reason to not do that all the time.
Oh it's definitely a very nice rifle and is a also a real shooter. Granted, shooting a 1moa grouping isn't the best and I can do that with my AR, but I'm 99% positive that was my doing. I've never shot prone before and I'll be honest in saying that in trying to determine where the buttstock should go, it touched my collarbone on one shot and let's just say my shoulder is pretty sore today. I might buy a slip-on recoil pad (Limbsaver) to use for a while until I get used to the shoulder placement, but the HS-Precision 1/4" piece of hard rubber is not a recoil pad.Quote:
Originally Posted by TheBelly
I've been reading a lot since yesterday about recoil mitigation and have come to the conclusion that I wasn't pulling the rifle into my shoulder hard enough, or preloading the bipod enough (though it seemed as if anytime I preloaded the bipod, the feet would just slide forward). I definitely need to be doing a lot more dryfire practice in the prone position to work in buttstock placement. However, I can honestly say that I never jerked the trigger, while a little on the heavier side, it is a very crisp, clean trigger and I probably won't change it for a long time, if ever. Sure, if it was 1lb lighter, that'd be really ideal but I'm not gonna pay a couple hundred bucks for a replacement. Time for finger pushups! [LOL]
Thanks for the recommendation on the rifle Belly! I'm really happy with it overall and know that it will be a great training platform for me for years to come.
Yep this is appropriate today
I feel like that after talking to the trash company about a replacement bin for the one they broke.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mazin
This was today.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mazin
Ok this is my vent thread so you guys just might want to ignore me today on here, needless to say it's been a long one so far.