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About fifty + years ago, my Dad had a tavern in a small town in Iowa. Posted where everyone could easily see it, was a sign, "We reserve the right to refuse service to ANYONE". Now it's probably be illegal to post such a notice. Damn shame what's going on here in our great Country.
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Heh heh. You said "connections" heh heh [LOL]Quote:
Originally Posted by DavieD55
He will not comply.
http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2014...-backing-down/
I would say Fuck you Judge! This is MY business an until they NATIONALIZE cake making! I will serve what customer I want WHEN I want!
Simple solution, just make crappy cakes for Homosexual unions err weddings.
Butt even if you put extra "batter" in them they wouldn't mind.....Quote:
Originally Posted by Drucker
In this case the judge is the catcher...Quote:
Originally Posted by BPTactical
I'm not advocating for or against gay marriages here, just addressing the Constitutionality of this decision.
The 1st Amendment mentions the limits on Congress to legislate any restriction on the free exercise of religion. This is because only Congress has the legal authority to legislate. This judges decision is de-facto legislation, not a Constitutional determination of Justice which is his legal realm.Quote:
Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.
Sadly, this judge doesn't know, or care to understand that the 1st Amendment goes well beyond addressing the Right to Freedom of Speech; it is also supposed to protect ones Right to exercise their chosen religion as they see fit. Again, this judges decision violates this cake makers Right.Quote:
Phillips also addressed Spencer’s December ruling, saying that the judge said he understood the baker’s constitutional rights, but said Phillips’ refusal to provide a cake didn’t qualify as ”speech” and that “discrimination charges overrule it.” The commission affirmed this stance May 30.
Some will say that this bakery is a "public business" and, as such, must abide by certain civil rights protections. I contend that this bakery is a private business - owned by a private citizen - and the owner ultimately has the right to refuse to serve any customer he chooses, particularly if doing business with them violates his religious beliefs. The Civil Rights rules were put into place because of discrimination based off of skin color which isn't something someone has any ability to change and isn't something that violates any (mainstream) religious tenants. Homosexuality is more of a behavior and mental ideology - something that one can choose to express or not. In my opinion, their choice(s) do not trump the right of a business owner to freely exercise his religion.
Ah, you were looking to have some cakes made, were ya?Quote:
Originally Posted by Irving
It's funny that when things don't go their way, it's unfair and un-American. God forbid everyone else doesn't bow down to their every demand in the name of "sensitivity" and "equality".Quote:
Originally Posted by BPTactical
But shitting on our rights or someone else's interests, that's all fine and dandy. Gotta love double standards.
Just wondering here but would people have a problem with this baker if he refused to make a cake for a guy in a wheelchair or a black couple? Yeah, that would not be right, you can't do that. Handicapped people and races are protected classes. If you open a business you have to serve all. So the problem here is that gay people are considered a protected class just like if a white guy went into Jose's barber shop. Jose cant deny you service because of your race so he has to cut your hair.
If you want to disagree with something here, you can't scream "constitution!" and expect success. We can disagree with the ruling on this baker all day long but I think the only way of getting around it is to get the law changed so that being gay isn't a protected class. I have no doubt that whoever this gay couple is that is trying to get a cake, are just doing this to prove a point. Who the hell would want to eat something made by someone who does not like you? Being of a certain sex or race is a protected class, this is something that you can't do anything about. I just don't believe people are born gay. It is something learned over time and the ones that end up gay just don't go back to a hetero lifestyle. Look at all the girls in college who experiment with other girls and then come back around to being normal adults. Now I wish this baker would just bake a shitty cake for them and charge them properly and move on.