Gonna be a mess - got an excuse to agitate

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Originally Posted by 00tec

Pulse was absent before EMT arrival.


This is the criminal complaint filed for the officer's arrest. This is a direct pdf download link
https://int.nyt.com/data/documenthel...ull.pdf#page=1

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I had mentioned it because the original police report made it seem like he died at the hospital. Officers called medical asssistance for Floyd after he had no pulse and the EMTs simply confirmed it. He was pronounced dead at the hospital, but he was already dead when the EMTs got there. There was no Dr. present at the scene to pronounce the death.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.kst...t-5744900.html

Before going off the rails, please take a minute to read some of the facts. According to the charging documents:

1) The body cameras on the officers present were on and functional, so the statement by the governor to the effect of ?Thank God somebody had a cell phone camera or we would never know about this? is complete BS.

2) The autopsy report revealed ?...there were no findings of traumatic asphyxia or strangulation. According to the autopsy, Floyd had underlying health conditions, including coronary artery disease and hypertensive heart disease, which combined with 'any potential intoxicants in his system' likely contributed to his death.?

3) Floyd had other pre-existing conditions which, according to the coroner ?likely contributed to his death.? We also do not know what, if any ?potential intoxicants? were also present in Floyd?s system. See quote in #2.

4) The officers tried at least twice to place Floyd into a patrol car where he could have sat upright unobstructed, but he resisted them (according to the charging documents).

5) At least 1 of the other officers on scene specifically expressed his concern for Floyd?s body position due to ?excited delirium?, which was overruled by the senior officer (Chauvin - 19 year veteran). It is common in police department policies that the senior officer on scene is the commanding officer.

6) Floyd would never have even been contacted by police, had he not been committing a crime (passing counterfeit bills).

7) There is no evidence at all that the treatment of Floyd, while reckless, in violation of training, and I assume department policies, was in any way due to his race.

8) Floyd was far from an upstanding citizen, but had been released from prison in 2014 for armed robbery (pointing a gun at a woman?s stomach while searching for drugs and money

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https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.dai...son-Texas.html

Let the facts come out, and the chips fall where they may. There are many problems with the circumstances, but there hasn?t been anything pointing to racism so far, that I?ve seen.

I might also add manslaughter is likely an appropriate charge for Chauvin, but his conviction is far from guaranteed given the other facts. The delay in charges is not a conspiracy, but appropriate for a defendant in the unique position of an arresting police officer.

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Originally Posted by VDW

6) Floyd would never have even been contacted by police, had he not been committing a crime (passing counterfeit bills).

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Even if he had his day in court and was convicted of a crime, still wouldn't have been given the death penalty.

There's no way to rationalize this away.

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Originally Posted by VDW

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.kst...t-5744900.html

Before going off the rails, please take a minute to read some of the facts. According to the charging documents:

1) The body cameras on the officers present were on and functional, so the statement by the governor to the effect of ?Thank God somebody had a cell phone camera or we would never know about this? is complete BS.

2) The autopsy report revealed ?...there were no findings of traumatic asphyxia or strangulation. According to the autopsy, Floyd had underlying health conditions, including coronary artery disease and hypertensive heart disease, which combined with 'any potential intoxicants in his system' likely contributed to his death.?

3) Floyd had other pre-existing conditions which, according to the coroner ?likely contributed to his death.? We also do not know what, if any ?potential intoxicants? were also present in Floyd?s system. See quote in #2.

4) The officers tried at least twice to place Floyd into a patrol car where he could have sat upright unobstructed, but he resisted them (according to the charging documents).

5) At least 1 of the other officers on scene specifically expressed his concern for Floyd?s body position due to ?excited delirium?, which was overruled by the senior officer (Chauvin - 19 year veteran). It is common in police department policies that the senior officer on scene is the commanding officer.

6) Floyd would never have even been contacted by police, had he not been committing a crime (passing counterfeit bills).

7) There is no evidence at all that the treatment of Floyd, while reckless, in violation of training, and I assume department policies, was in any way due to his race.

8) Floyd was far from an upstanding citizen, but had been released from prison in 2014 for armed robbery (pointing a gun at a woman?s stomach while searching for drugs and money

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https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.dai...son-Texas.html

Let the facts come out, and the chips fall where they may. There are many problems with the circumstances, but there hasn?t been anything pointing to racism so far, that I?ve seen.

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Originally Posted by VDW

Nope. He?ll be counted as confirmed. The 9News story is based on the guy being classified as a death due to Covid-19 as classified by CDPHE. We would never even know about it if it was in a larger county with more than 2 Covid deaths and a coroner who was not paying attention to the numbers or not willing to speak up about it.

That is the biggest problem with the Covid stats. Other historic data is counted when it is the leading cause of death. Covid deaths are being counted if it is present or suspected to be present at the time of death, regardless of the leading cause. They died with Covid, not necessarily from it. By that standard we should all go shelter in an oxygen starved room, because every single person died with oxygen.

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Find me the healthy guy that can survive over 2 minutes of someone's knee on his throat.

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Originally Posted by Gman

Even if he had his day in court and was convicted of a crime, still wouldn't have been given the death penalty.

There's no way to rationalize this away.

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Agreed.

Even if he had fired on someone, police officer does not equal Judge Dredd. The last 4 minutes of that video show murder 3 and man 2 according to Minnesota law.

I AM THE LAW!!!!!!!


https://youtu.be/miVoe7U6Lx4

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Originally Posted by CS1983

The City of Minneapolis brought this on itself. Let it burn. They trusted his dumb ass to represent it, they can deal with the consequences.

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Remember you said this when it happens to your home or business.

I can't even believe what I'm reading here. There's no excuse for what happened. None. I've already made it clear that's how I feel.

On the other hand, there's no excuse for what these thugs are doing to the city, either. Protesting is fine. March, carry signs, speak from the steps of the capital, blow up social media. But when you turn to anarchy and start destroying property and endangering people you become the problem. When you burn down businesses and police stations and loot and riot you are NOT protesting. You're now no better than the officers who killed this man. I don't care what anyone says this is not about race. This is an opportunity to be exploited by a lawless segment of society.

Way too many people have lost focus of what is right and what is wrong. This started at because of an injustice committed against one man. Continuing to go down the path of bringing injustice upon others who are innocent isn't fixing anything and isn't helping anything or anyone.

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The Black community in MN is calling out white Antifa members for starting the riots and destroying their communities. I keep telling y?all these white liberals are not our friends. #Democrats #GeorgeFloyd #minneapolis

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https://youtu.be/T3PaqxblOx0

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Originally Posted by VDW

I might also add manslaughter is likely an appropriate charge for Chauvin, but his conviction is far from guaranteed given the other facts. The delay in charges is not a conspiracy, but appropriate for a defendant in the unique position of an arresting police officer.

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IMO they'd better stick with manslaughter and not go for the harsher penalty, like they did with G. Zimmerman.

Manslaughter is easier to find a Guilty verdict for. Than premeditated murder, or other harsher sentence.

had they pushed for a manslaughter charge with zimmerman, he would have been found guilty. BUT NOOOOOOOOOOOOooooooo politics and higher ups wanted to make a statement. They failed and we saw the results.

The same will happen here.
Convict on manslaughter, lock him up and call it good. Push for the harsher penalty and there could be a problem getting a guilty plea, beyond a reasonable doubt. Especially with any competent attorney.