Atlanta Shooting

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Originally Posted by Irving

It doesn't really take much scrutiny to realize that all those tried and tried cop sayings are garbage.

Only a few bad apples
Cops don't know who they are dealing with, but people know see a uniform and know they're dealing with a good guy.
Cops just wanting to return home to their families each night.

It's all just bullshit rhetoric to justify being bad cops.

I think everyone I know has a "bad cop" story. Must not be as uncommon as we'd like to think.

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I guess its all bullshit rhetoric until its your loved one that does not come home from their shift. This is a reality for the families of a 100+ officers who?s shifts ended in 2020 so far.

Have one of you loved ones not come from the job of serving their community and tell me its bullshit then. I have lived it

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Originally Posted by MrAK

I already know that some people believe it’s ok for cops to violate people’s Constitutional Rights in order to secure their safety. I stated that comments had me wondering about that concept, because many of the comments I see here echo the same talking points that I hear from blue lives matter groups, online police forums and newsletters, personal conversations I’ve had with law enforcement officers, and the list goes on and on. I’ve also seen plenty of cell phone footage of officers stating as much, there’s an entire online community devoted to policing the police so to speak and they glamorize videos of citizens schooling cops on the law and their rights.

I enjoy seeing different perspectives to news and what’s going on in the world, to hear different opinions, and I try to take much of it with a grain of salt.

What I don’t appreciate is immediately being attacked and having my words attempted to be turned against me by triggered individuals.

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I think this is a pretty reasonable response. There are PLEANTY of posts on here that are the exact same thing. Meaning, people assuming some opposing perspective exists and commenting on it here, even though no one actually said it.

Probably by the time we start requesting sources on every single comment, it's time to take a step back, maybe go visit another entertaining thread, probably started by me, and then come back later.

[Whacko]..

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Originally Posted by sako55

I guess its all bullshit rhetoric until its your loved one that does not come home from their shift. This is a reality for the families of a 100+ officers who?s shifts ended in 2020 so far.

Have one of you loved ones not come from the job of serving their community and tell me its bullshit then.

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I'll remember that the next time there is a school shooting and I get to wade through a bunch of posts about how statistically unlikely school shootings are, and what's the big deal after all?

It IS bullshit rhetoric. Everyone wants to come home at the end of the day. It's not a special feeling just for police. Maybe they say it, but I feel like I don't see firefighters or combat soldiers or linemen, or miners, or rock climbers saying that dumb shit.

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Originally Posted by TheGrey

"Reading a couple of responses has me wondering, if there?s only a few bad apples then why do cops need qualified immunity?

Other comments have me wondering why people think it?s ok for a cop to violate people?s Constitutional Rights in order to secure the cops safety. Growing up, I always thought that a big part of the respect we held for officers came from them purposely risking their lives in certain situations so as not to violate the Constitutional Rights of the citizens of this country." That comment? I believe it was requested of you to show those comments that lead you to believe people think it's ok for a cop to violate people's Constitutional Rights.

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Qualified immunity is quite literally violating people?s civil rights contra the clear phrasing of the civil rights act of 1871, and ?amended/interpreted? (read: gutted) wherein one has to basically be a carbon copy of case law (read: bullshit). It simply needs to either go or DA?s need to get in that ass when cops do dumb shit, and pull QI when it?s clear they did something to escalate or otherwise exceed their application of lawful authority.

Here?s an example.
https://youtu.be/XmoPUWGc1WY

It also brings into focus one of the concerns with recently passed SB217, which abnegates state agencies while leaving local on the hook. That?s patently unfair to the local guys and doesn?t allow a fair playing field on joint local/state operations

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As for training, PowerPoint and pre-shift check the block briefings are not training.

Training is training to the most extreme standard of expectation. It?s not dicking off for 30 minutes and someone pencil whips a form saying you got ?trained?. It?s going home exhausted and wondering if you?re cut out for the job.

Do I want to pay for admin wonks to get upgraded desks and whatever manner of stupidity tax dollars go to? Nope. I want to pay taxes to pay those men what they deserve. To send them to high stress, interpersonal psychologically challenging classes. To go through good medical training. To do continual screenings so the broken can be salvaged and the psychos can be shut-canned. So the unions become a thing of the past because the people have their back. So the idea of a first responder discount is rendered moot.

In Cybersec and networking, we lab on the company time and dime. Why aren?t we doing that with men charged with a far more palpable responsibility?!

I?d much rather pay $300 more a year in taxes to make sure police are properly paid and trained than for the local school system to have whatever bullshit, already outdated e-learning platform instead of just sticking with what worked for generations.

And for goodness sake, the quotas (yeah yeah, they don?t exist, just like I never had to deal with quotas on recruiting duty - right... uh huh), us vs them, and all the modern militarized bullshit need to go.

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Originally Posted by MrAK

I already know that some people believe it’s ok for cops to violate people’s Constitutional Rights in order to secure their safety. I stated that comments had me wondering about that concept, because many of the comments I see here echo the same talking points that I hear from blue lives matter groups, online police forums and newsletters, personal conversations I’ve had with law enforcement officers, and the list goes on and on. I’ve also seen plenty of cell phone footage of officers stating as much, there’s an entire online community devoted to policing the police so to speak and they glamorize videos of citizens schooling cops on the law and their rights.

I enjoy seeing different perspectives to news and what’s going on in the world, to hear different opinions, and I try to take much of it with a grain of salt.

What I don’t appreciate is immediately being attacked and having my words attempted to be turned against me by triggered individuals.

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Then perhaps you need to use your words and write exactly what you did in explaining your thought process, rather than expecting people to intuit what it is you're saying.
And frankly, many of your opinions are controversial and/or adversarial, so your little attempts at a jab by calling people 'triggered' because they don't agree with you- or just don't agree with your arguments- make me less than sympathetic. These are controversial topics you've chosen to be a part of, so learn how to discuss effectively to make your words understood. If you can't stand the heat of disagreement, there are many other threads that are glad to share your ideas and jokes.
The First Amendment does not prtoect you from the consequences of your words.

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Originally Posted by Great-Kazoo

texted the daughter about the walk out. She sent me this reply.

Yeah, I can't make it in. Exhibiting Covid related symptoms.

As soon as i can find a safe testing site and get the results. I'll be back

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I hope that it's allergies or a cold she has. Praying! Let us know.

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Originally Posted by CS1983

Qualified immunity is quite literally violating people?s civil rights contra the clear phrasing of the civil rights act of 1871, and ?amended/interpreted? (read: gutted) wherein one has to basically be a carbon copy of case law (read: bullshit). It simply needs to either go or DA?s need to get in that ass when cops do dumb shit, and pull QI when it?s clear they did something to escalate or otherwise exceed their application of lawful authority.

Here?s an example.
https://youtu.be/XmoPUWGc1WY

It also brings into focus one of the concerns with recently passed SB217, which abnegates state agencies while leaving local on the hook. That?s patently unfair to the local guys and doesn?t allow a fair playing field on joint local/state operations

??

As for training, PowerPoint and pre-shift check the block briefings are not training.

Training is training to the most extreme standard of expectation. It?s not dicking off for 30 minutes and someone pencil whips a form saying you got ?trained?. It?s going home exhausted and wondering if you?re cut out for the job.

Do I want to pay for admin wonks to get upgraded desks and whatever manner of stupidity tax dollars go to? Nope. I want to pay taxes to pay those men what they deserve. To send them to high stress, interpersonal psychologically challenging classes. To go through good medical training. To do continual screenings so the broken can be salvaged and the psychos can be shut-canned. So the unions become a thing of the past because the people have their back. So the idea of a first responder discount is rendered moot.

In Cybersec and networking, we lab on the company time and dime. Why aren?t we doing that with men charged with a far more palpable responsibility?!

I?d much rather pay $300 more a year in taxes to make sure police are properly paid and trained than for the local school system to have whatever bullshit, already outdated e-learning platform instead of just sticking with what worked for generations.

And for goodness sake, the quotas (yeah yeah, they don?t exist, just like I never had to deal with quotas on recruiting duty - right... uh huh), us vs them, and all the modern militarized bullshit need to go.

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I didn't know 95% of that. Thanks for taking the time to explain.

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Originally Posted by TheGrey

Then perhaps you need to use your words and write exactly what you did in explaining your thought process, rather than expecting people to intuit what it is you're saying.
And frankly, many of your opinions are controversial and/or adversarial, so your little attempts at a jab by calling people 'triggered' because they don't agree with you- or just don't agree with your arguments- make me less than sympathetic. These are controversial topics you've chosen to be a part of, so learn how to discuss effectively to make your words understood. If you can't stand the heat of disagreement, there are many other threads that are glad to share your ideas and jokes.
The First Amendment does not prtoect you from the consequences of your words.

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My apologies, I forget that my words are subject to much closer scrutiny than that of others and that double standards abound.

There’s absolutely no irony considering the topic.

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Originally Posted by MrAK

My apologies, I forget that my words are subject to much closer scrutiny than that of others and that double standards abound.

There’s absolutely no irony considering the topic.

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People were asking for clarification. More than once. If that doesn't tell you there is an issue in communication, then I can't help you.

And yes, you and everyone else are subject to the history of what has gone on before. Many of your prior discussions take an anti-police slant. That's not exactly a good thing to be known for, on a gun forum started by an LEO.

And you can also stop with the childish snark. This isn't grade school.