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From what I always understood during my time as a resident alien, only a customs and immigration officer could demand to see my green card, not a police officer. I'll be honest, it was such a complicated process to get mine (not a complaint about that, by the way) that I only carried it when I was leaving the country for fear of losing it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Marlin
Believe it or not, this has nothing to do with why I'm in such an uproar about this.Quote:
Originally Posted by Marlin
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Originally Posted by jake
Sounds like it is similar to how only an ATF agent may inquire to see your tax stamp for your NFA item. However, that won't stop the police from detaining you until the appropriate authority arrives to check out your stuff.
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Originally Posted by Stuart
must have something to do with you calling anyone and everyone a racist...
he fucked up, got caught. sucks to be him. end of story.
Only a customs and immigration officer could demand to see my green card, not a police officer.True.Quote:
Originally Posted by jake
I'll be honest, it was such a complicated process to get mine (not a complaint about that, by the way) that I only carried it when I was leaving the country for fear of losing it. Also quoted for truth.
Jake, where were you born if you do not mind my asking. I assume you jusy "upgraded" from permanent resident to us citizen , right?
Born in the UK, lived here for seven years, became a citizen last October. Apart from tricking my wife into marrying me, the smartest decision I ever made.
Never seen that happen, Most of the time up at the north site.. Boulder,County. the Cops would walk up the hill, BS, for a few, Ask too see the paperwork, look at it, hand it back, BS for a couple more. Then be on their way..Quote:
Originally Posted by Stuart
Congrats!! (-:Quote:
Originally Posted by jake
That's because people just hand it over. You're not required to show your paper work to anyone but ATF, that I'm aware of, but if you don't, then you get to leave the property (if it's privately owned), or the officer can respond to your attitude by detaining you until an ATF agent is located and makes the time to come see your paper work. Much easier to just flash your tax stamp.
Very interesting article with legal perspective and analysis:
http://www.gazette.com/opinion/crime...ally-made.html
(Also - check out the results in the poll... hmmm)
I don't quite understand the 'forbidden fruit' statement in regards to guns, etc...Quote:
OUR VIEW:
It's not a crime to be here illegally
Civil and criminal law are vastly different
April 29, 2010 7:55 PM
It has never been a crime for an immigrant to be in this country illegally. Arizona just made it a crime — a misdemeanor the first time, a felony for repeat offenders.
Even some erudite Americans remain confused about immigration, which leads to bad policy. In today’s Gazette, and in newspapers throughout the country, columnist George Will explains the new Arizona law like this: “Arizona’s law makes what is already a federal offense — being in the country illegally — a state offense. Some critics seem not to understand Arizona’s right to assert concurrent jurisdiction.”
Critics don’t understand because Arizona will adjudicate a new law that’s nothing similar to federal law. Robert J. Barron, a leading immigration attorney in Colorado Springs, confirmed that it’s not a crime to be in the United States illegally. It’s a common misconception that feeds immigration hysteria. Federal law says it’s a civil infraction — just as it’s a civil violation, and therefore “illegal,” to send e-mail spam without an “unsubscribe” option. The difference between a civil and criminal offense is colossal.
It’s understandable why some want to make criminals of immigrants in violation of a mere civil statute. In Arizona and a few other states, a relative few are causing significant problems. That’s because we have created mayhem at the border by refusing to reform federal immigration laws and adjust quotas to serve the country’s realistic needs.
If criminal immigrants are terrorizing Arizona, it’s because immigration has become a kind of underground railroad. It thrives because our nation’s economy begs immigrants to fill jobs, at wages exceeding minimum wage, even as unemployed Americans subsist on state assistance or unemployment insurance and show themselves unwilling to clean motel rooms or work landscape labor. When the market demands forbidden fruit — as seen with guns, liquor, marijuana and Cuban cigars — an underground solution will fill the void.
The United States needs immigration reform that allows generous numbers of law-abiding citizens of Mexico and other countries south of the border to come and go from the United States lawfully — committing neither civil nor criminal infraction — in order to produce for our economy in compliance with wage and labor laws. It needs a secure border, with enforcement of laws that make sense.
The United States cannot prosper and thrive without substantial numbers of immigrants. American citizens have not reproduced in quantities to provide a labor force adequate to fund pensions, provide health care, buy existing homes, fund Social Security, and produce ample wealth in the form of goods and services.
Most developed and developing countries, including China, are learning that dwindling fertility rates of the past 30 years mean economic peril or more immigration.
Only warm bodies create wealth and prosperity. There is no other source. Therefore, it would benefit us to pass laws that favor reasonable and lawful importation of law-abiding immigrants. Establishing a new class of criminals produces nothing but another burden for the state.
— Wayne Laugesen, editorial page editor, for the editorial board
By referencing those specific items - if you develop an 'underground' for those things - you become a criminal.
IE: You voilate laws to traffic 'underground' liquor... specifically some tax laws.