I can't think of a more worthy way to spend my tax money, than to protect my rights.
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I can't think of a more worthy way to spend my tax money, than to protect my rights.
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Originally Posted by Stuart
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Originally Posted by Stuart
"Passengers have complained about the Close Encounters with TSA.
Some offer graphic accounts of genital contact, others tell of agents gawking or making inappropriate comments, and many express a general sense of powerlessness and humiliation. In general passengers are saying they are surprised by the intimacy of a physical search usually reserved for police encounters"
"Representatives fom various rights groups say reports about security agent's behavior run the gamut from respectful and apologetic to aggressive and hostile. Disabled travelers, parents traveling with children, victims of sexual assault and people with medical devices or health issues have expressed concerns about how the new policy affects their ability to fly."
"In other cases, passengers may be randomly selected for a physical search."
"For the protests this coming Wednesday, WeWontFly.com and OptOutDay.com support the boldest passengers to strip down to their underwear before entering the security line."
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Originally Posted by Byte Stryke
Keep in mind, the TSA people aren't Federal Agents, they are Transportation Security Officers...read, federally paid security. They do not have federal powers that Federal Agent's have.
Here is the list of minimal requirements for being a security officer:
Duties and Responsibilities: Implements security-screening procedures that are central to Transportation Security Administration (TSA) objectives and that will serve to protect the traveling public by preventing any deadly or dangerous objects from being transported onto an aircraft. Assists in conducting screening of passengers, baggage and cargo. May be required to conduct screening at any airport that provides commercial services to the public. Assists in monitoring the flow of passengers through the screening checkpoint to facilitate the orderly and efficient processing of passengers. Maintains close communication with supervisors regarding any issues that might reveal a weakness or vulnerable area of security screening that is discovered in the course of screening duties. Participates in information briefings concerning security-sensitive or classified information.
Key Skills
Pay scale:
- Ability to learn the theories, dynamics, and factors underlying the aviation screening process to enable authoritative and independent handling of screening functions.
- Ability to learn to operate basic security equipment such as X-ray machines and hand wands at screening checkpoints
- Ability to work with persons of diverse backgrounds
- Ability to communicate non-technical information effectively to others
$25,518 minimum to $44,007 maximum
Personally, I would prefer a transfer back to the private security. When TSA was developed, the PD I worked for had to provide security for the hotel that was taken over to hire these TSA security people. Long lines, lots of people and we were averaging 3-5 arrests a day for warrants, etc. for the people showing up to get hired.
during a discussion this morning a very good point was brought up.
IF*
you look at an electronic image of a nude child
OR
You touched the Genetalia of a Child
where would you be right now?
Why do we allow our government to do this to us and our children?
Will it be used in the future as a defense? ie:"I molest children because I was molested at an airport."
we know that child abuse perpetuates abuse... are we condoning it?
debate
I was staying out of this discussion for the past few days, but here I am wading in.
The two things that I think we did to improve airline and aircraft safety were to arm the pilots and secure the cockpit door. Anything past that was to satisfy the fear of the flying populace and keep an industry that is barely surviving from falling apart altogether, which would have made the government feel the need to intervene and get into the industry. Read: government airlines. After 9/11, the airports had (unarmed) National Guard standing around as a show of force to make the population feel safer. Did it make it safer? Not really.
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Originally Posted by Anton
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Originally Posted by OneGuy67
Ticket sales are down, Airlines scramble, increase fees, rates, charge extra for carry-ons, Checked bags, etc.. Further alienating travellers
NOW...
Citizen have a No Fly day... fewer people want to fly, people choose alternative transport modes in retaliation to as well as in fear of TSA (I have a friend just drove from NC to CO and Back because he has an artificial hip and is tired of Cavity searches)
Customer base is now even more alienated, Sales Plumet, Airlines collapse and scream for their bailouts, again...
so either we let these "Security guards" Feel us up or our taxes go up...
WTF?
It's NOT doing anything except making a mockery of us for the rest of the world.
I don't disagree a bit Byte. The industry is eating itself. Federal law actually allows airports to opt out of using TSA screeners and hire private security that have to be trained by TSA.
I don't like to fly anymore due to the security searches. I drove to Louisiana and to Missouri for training classes I had with the Guard instead of fly. When I do have to fly, I wear and carry as little as possible in order to try to get through security with minimal issues.
Hell, when my damn unit was deploying to Iraq in 2008, we all had to be screened, had to remove our boots and belts and some were hand searched with the wands and the old search methods. C'mon! Really!