List of places no one should be allowed to possess a firearm:

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Originally Posted by RMAC757

Your proving my point every time you type.

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ANd your proving mine. There is zero reason why a citizen should not have the right to carry a firearm on board an airplane. The exact same logic could be applied to any public transportation or venue. In fact that is the exact same logic being applied to magazine limits, UBC's, and the CCW on college campuses. I mean, the guy next to you with a firearm might have just broken up with his gf and be unstable and lose it.

Get over yourself. Your not better than me or any other citizen. That you choose to hold the public in such disdain is somewhat interesting. Perhaps you should seek employment with the Democrat Party Comrade.

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Originally Posted by cstone

Alot.

The reasoning for weapons retention for uniformed police officers is based on the regular carry of an exposed weapon, which is visible and accessible to anyone behind, to the side, or otherwise in close proximity. When your job has you rolling around on the ground while trying to subdue a subject, or working crowd control at an Occupy style rally, knowing where your weapons are and keeping them away from others is pretty important.

While, in training, we work on regaining weapons if you happen to lose one, the emphasis is obviously on not losing them in the first place.

Ground fighting is also an important part of training in LE. Would anyone like to consider the difficulties of ground fighting in the aisle or between seats on a full airplane? Again, the emphasis is on not going to the deck, and if you go, make sure you are on top. There are a lot of hard, sharp items down there. You can use them if you are in a position of dominance. They can be used against you if you are not.

There are many difficult environments to work in, and anyone who thinks that a gun will get you out of more trouble than it can get you into is just fooling themselves. For a citizen who carries concealed, use of a firearm should really be considered a weapon of last resort. Something along the lines of "If I don't pull this trigger, someone will die or be seriously injured. I have no other choice." If you can't hit your target, you have no business pulling the trigger. That is just as true on the street as it is at 30,000 feet. It is also true for LE as well as anyone else. At least in LE, the deep pockets of liability will probably be the taxpayers. Warren Buffet and Bill Gates would suffer significant financial setbacks for that type of liability. I'm pretty sure that anyone on this board would be financially ruined if they missed in that situation. Not to mention the other legal and psychological difficulties.

Here is a domestic airliner question for those in the profession. If a significant event happens while over the continental United States, what is the longest time likely between advising ATC of the emergency and wheels down? I ask this question in anticipation of the consideration of "backup assistance" not being available at cruise altitude.

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Roughly... (very roughly) considering all of the factors that may be involved 15 minutes. Colowyo is stud and could do it in 10

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Originally Posted by dwalker460

And there will be one, because you have the TSA as your only line of defense, which has been proven ineffective, and a cabin full of defenseless passengers.

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TSA is not the only line of defense.

Passengers, post 9/11 are anything but defenseless. I think many people would be shocked just what passengers have done to their fellow passengers when they have done stupid things on airplanes after 9/11. It would take a mighty foolish individual to jump up and take a screaming run at a flight deck door today. God help the fool if the plane is on it's way to an airport near a large military base and the plane is full of young and vigorous members of our military. There would be a world of hurt delivered unto the wicked on that flight.

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Originally Posted by cstone

TSA is not the only line of defense.

Passengers, post 9/11 are anything but defenseless. I think many people would be shocked just what passengers have done to their fellow passengers when they have done stupid things on airplanes after 9/11. It would take a mighty foolish individual to jump up and take a screaming run at a flight deck door today. God help the fool if the plane is on it's way to an airport near a large military base and the plane is full of young and vigorous members of our military. There would be a world of hurt delivered unto the wicked on that flight.

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Point ceded, and your right I have seen a greater awareness among many passengers on my flights.
I was stuck in an airport on 9/11. I had a bag full of specialty tools with me that I had carried from TN to CA for a contract working with a race team there. On the way out I just popped them into the underseat, on the way back the police officer inspecting the bag nearly crapped himself when he saw the saws and other tools in the bag.

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Originally Posted by dwalker460

ANd your proving mine. There is zero reason why a citizen should not have the right to carry a firearm on board an airplane. The exact same logic could be applied to any public transportation or venue. In fact that is the exact same logic being applied to magazine limits, UBC's, and the CCW on college campuses. I mean, the guy next to you with a firearm might have just broken up with his gf and be unstable and lose it.

Get over yourself. Your not better than me or any other citizen. That you choose to hold the public in such disdain is somewhat interesting. Perhaps you should seek employment with the Democrat Party Comrade.

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No I am not better....nor did I say I was better. What I did explain to you while using small words is that I work in this environment and the odds are I know a lot more than you do about it. Hold the public in disdain? Dude, the flying public pays my salary and I'm thankful as hell for that. Now I'm a Democrat because you disagree with me? I tell you what find 5 Airline pilots that agree with you and I'll issue you a public apology.

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Originally Posted by RMAC757

Roughly... (very roughly) considering all of the factors that may be involved 15 minutes. Colowyo is stud and could do it in 10

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I thought if you sent 7500 you didn't get to land right away.

Does CStone remind anyone else of Sheriff Bill Masters? Not that I know either one of them.

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Originally Posted by Irving

Does CStone remind anyone else of Sheriff Bill Masters? Not that I know either one of them.

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I've been to Telluride. I've never met Sheriff Masters. I don't know whether reminding anyone of him would be a good thing or a bad thing.

I'm willing to buy you a cup of coffee Irving. Then you could say you've met one of us [Beer]

I read his book and I'll bet you that cup of coffee that you'd agree with it. Your posts remind me of his sound logic. Carry on (just not while you're sitting between a judge and the Post Master general on a commercial airliner about to take off from a treadmill).

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Originally Posted by Irving

I read his book and I'll bet you that cup of coffee that you'd agree with it. Your posts remind me of his sound logic. Carry on (just not while you're sitting between a judge and the Post Master general on a commercial airliner about to take off from a treadmill).

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Thanks for the book recommendation. I need to finish the Cormac McCarthy book I've been trying to finish, but I will definitely put Masters' book on my list.