Looming Government Shutdown (again)

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Originally Posted by Irving

I like it.

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I like it too, but it's a dream. Those there now would never f-themselves or their up an coming buddies.

Term limits. We have 350 million people in this country. I think we can find 535 decent ones every term.

My proposal: ALL federal government employees are limited to 12 years of accumulated service, other than career military. Then they have to get real jobs. So, 1 term in the House, 1 term in the Senate, and one term as president, or 6 terms in the house, or 2 terms as senator, you get the idea.Maximum 2 terms as president. No pension, if they want a retirement account, they can save like ordinary citizens. No career bureaucrats. Salary for legislators would be the national median income. After leaving office, federal employees would be barred from lobbying for 10 years. all of this would also apply to federal judge, .no more lifetime appointments.

We have a way to limit politicians in their quest to hold power. This power is called elections. Representatives run every two years and Senators run every six years. IMO, far too many voters continue to choose the names they know rather than voting against incumbents.

I would much prefer a return to a federal government before the expanded use of the commerce clause.
https://www.heritage.org/the-constit...ommerce-clause

We get the government we deserve.

Less government is the best government.

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Originally Posted by TFOGGER

After leaving office, federal employees would be barred from lobbying for 10 years.

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So you plan on rewriting the Constitution to remove that stupid "1st Amendment" thing? ;)

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Originally Posted by Martinjmpr

So you plan on rewriting the Constitution to remove that stupid "1st Amendment" thing? ;)

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lets be honest, you dont really have to rewrite the Constitution in order to regulate it to death. Look at the 2nd. Heaven forbid we regulate the 14th.

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Originally Posted by Martinjmpr

So you plan on rewriting the Constitution to remove that stupid "1st Amendment" thing? ;)

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Think of it in the same light as a "noncompete" clause in an employment contract in the private sector. Or the obligation to not disclose classified information after leaving the military.

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Originally Posted by cstone

We have a way to limit politicians in their quest to hold power. This power is called elections. Representatives run every two years and Senators run every six years. IMO, far too many voters continue to choose the names they know rather than voting against incumbents.

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Congress had an 11% approval rating in 2014, yet 96.4 percent of incumbents were re-elected. Clearly, we need better educated and motivated voters, or some sort of sunset mechanism to keep the disease in DC from festering.

I 100% agree on the commerce clause abuse. Thank Lincoln for that. He was a great man, and did many good things, but the expansion of Federal power during and immediately after the civil war was no one of them.

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Originally Posted by TFOGGER

My proposal: ALL federal government employees are limited to 12 years of accumulated service, other than career military. Then they have to get real jobs. So, 1 term in the House, 1 term in the Senate, and one term as president, or 6 terms in the house, or 2 terms as senator, you get the idea.Maximum 2 terms as president. No pension, if they want a retirement account, they can save like ordinary citizens. No career bureaucrats. Salary for legislators would be the national median income. After leaving office, federal employees would be barred from lobbying for 10 years. all of this would also apply to federal judge, .no more lifetime appointments.

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You consider government employees not to have "real jobs"? They're not all politicians, you know. Some are extremely hard-workng individuals.

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Originally Posted by TheGrey

You consider government employees not to have "real jobs"? They're not all politicians, you know. Some are extremely hard-workng individuals.

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My wife had a government job. It was real enough that she hated it and quit.

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Originally Posted by TheGrey

You consider government employees not to have "real jobs"? They're not all politicians, you know. Some are extremely hard-workng individuals.

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No offense intended. Government should not be the largest employer in the country. Those same hard working people could just as easily be employed in the same capacities in the private sector(and be better compensated for their hard work), if the government were to divest itself of its powers not specifically mandated by the constitution. Just as many that work for the government are dedicated and hard working, many are inherently lazy, unproductive, and dictatorial when granted the slightest bit of authority. Bureaucracies provide a refuge for a lot of people too lazy or incompetent to succeed in the private sector.