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I got pretty frustrated with both sides yesterday and well I think I'm going to spend some time away from a particular gun forum. I'm too tired of the my side is right and if you don't agree then you are a piece of shit blah blah. I'd love to live in a wide open area where it's just me and my family with a small government, but that isn't the case. I'm not talking about giving anything more to the gun grabbers, but the divisiveness on both sides is at epic retard levels.
That can happen when you have emotion on one side and logic, reason, and an understanding of human history on the other. Asking those using logic and reason to give that up to appease an irrational idea doesn't provide somewhere to 'meet in the middle'.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fmedges
All the left had to do was leave us alone, they couldn't do that so now they get the tiger.
Agreed. The childishness on both sides makes me embarrassed to be an American. Grow up & deal with your problems like an adult. Just a bunch of petulant children on both sides crying because they got the green sucker instead of the red one. It's a race to the bottom. FFSQuote:
Originally Posted by Fmedges
That's what I hear, but honestly I'm tired of it. Almost total ban in CA, NYC, Chicago. Limitations in FL, CO. Proposed limitations / bans in MN, OR and where ever else I'm forgetting. What exactly is the tiger and I doubt it will ever show up. I hate the left, but they do show up. Honestly they will just keep chipping away despite all the letter writing and in 20 years nobody will be able to own firearms and it will be stigmatized so much that nobody will want to. This whole they are going to kick down my door crap is idiotic.Quote:
Originally Posted by roberth
You're right, most American gun owners are complacent, when the anti-gun laws come to their state they'll quietly abide by them. There won't be any door-kicking b/c most gun owners will roll over voluntarily. The tiger will come out in rare events but it won't be enough.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fmedges
And in the case of rare events it will just be sold as radical gun groups and not the citizenry (or whatever composes the gun owners) as a whole. We have to be honest and the fact is that our country values the illusions of security over freedom.Quote:
Originally Posted by roberth
Agreed, bold for truth.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fmedges
They give no thought to the futures of America's children.
Just out of curiosity what do you see as divisiveness? What could gun owners do to be less divisive on a topic where, as of yesterday, they now admit they want all of 2A gone? It seems like an absolute position that implies much future badness.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fmedges
And in all honesty, the reasonable things aren't even on the table anymore for us to give, they are being given up willingly (e.g. FL BGCs, age limits, etc...). Look at CO and tell us what we could do to put the other side at ease? I don't know about MN, but here they won't let us protect the schools! They ignore Denver's casual violence, for now. We have BGCs, we have mag limits. We could give age limits on ARs but it will be ineffective and then we'll be talking AWB.
If you've had conversations with the other side you've probably experienced some of what I have. You remain calm and polite, acknowledge the concern and agree that kids getting murdered is unacceptable, cite facts/statistics, talk about why the US has 2A, and get called a child murderer once the talking points fail. Those talking points they've been given are designed to shut is us down which is why they get so angry when they fail. They believe them like a religion (most can't define an "assault weapon" but talk about them like nuclear weapons and are shocked when I explain the concept of semi-auto [wood vs synthetic, how common they are]). This was never a conversation and the people funding it are paying for an outcome.
I see it as a soft civil war and the differences are irreconcilable. Someone has to lose and someone has to win. If we walk away, we lose. And it's not just guns, it's coming to a head on guns because so many understand that is the red line. As gun owners that puts us in the middle of it all which is really shitty! If it were 1A it would be Christians and Libertarians (people in UK being arrested for speech right now btw). Imagine how divisive that will be when folks are told what they are/are not allowed to believe! Would it be appropriate to back down and say those on the side of freedom are being divisive because they won't bend their knee?
I could also give you all the examples of what the Left has said they would like to do to me and my family. I could show all the names I've been called individually and as a gun owner. I'm sorry gun owners have embarrassed you, but maybe you should look at the cost of losing. Throw in AntiFa and the global interest against Trump and I'm surprised at shots haven't been fired at this point.
This isn't getting healed and it isn't going away.
If it were just my hobby, I'd give it to them like a participation trophy. It's not a hobby.