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Originally Posted by SideShow Bob
Son of a.... Ill take mine with ranch..
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Originally Posted by SideShow Bob
Son of a.... Ill take mine with ranch..
Love it thanks for this linkQuote:
Originally Posted by muddywings
Hell, forget the media overhyping this BS, tell the POTUS he should not get involved:
(CNN) - President Barack Obama issued the following statement Sunday following the verdict in the George Zimmerman trial."The death of Trayvon Martin was a tragedy. Not just for his family, or for any one community, but for America. I know this case has elicited strong passions. And in the wake of the verdict, I know those passions may be running even higher. But we are a nation of laws, and a jury has spoken. I now ask every American to respect the call for calm reflection from two parents who lost their young son. And as we do, we should ask ourselves if we’re doing all we can to widen the circle of compassion and understanding in our own communities. We should ask ourselves if we’re doing all we can to stem the tide of gun violence that claims too many lives across this country on a daily basis. We should ask ourselves, as individuals and as a society, how we can prevent future tragedies like this. As citizens, that’s a job for all of us. That’s the way to honor Trayvon Martin."
http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2013/07/14/obama-makes-statement-following-zimmerman-verdict/?hpt=hp_t2
Sorry, I won't be honoring a young thug who beat the crap out of someone and got shot for doing it.
...and if defending yourself from having your brains bashed in, that doesn't make it part of the "tide of gun violence". Would we rather have physically stronger individuals in control?
Look to Chicago, Mr. President.
travon was a gun owner and therefore im assuming a second amendment supporter i think he would be in support of the stand your ground lawsQuote:
Originally Posted by muddywings
http://www.yourblackworld.net/wp-con...un-trayvon.jpg
I own a SW40VE.....what does that say about me?
...that I like a really heavy trigger pull?
Considering his age, he was an "Illegal gun" owner........Quote:
Originally Posted by cofi
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Originally Posted by SideShow Bob
maybe this will spark a debate about lowering the handgun age limits....
A few small spats have happened. I believe Oakland had some problems last night. Overall, way less than I expected.Quote:
Originally Posted by Singlestack
Hell yes he should get his gun back, and if he's smart he will get a signed copy of the evidence tag receipt and keep it. the go straight down to a bank and put both in a safety deposit box. (I know this is twisted, but my mind just works like this.) Guns with documented history to them are worth serious money. 100 years from now, that POS keltec will be put his great grandkids through college.
"We should ask ourselves if we’re doing all we can to stem the tide of gun violence that claims too many lives across this country on a daily basis."
-President Obama
Stem the tide of gun violence, or raise our children properly? There wouldn't have been "gun violence" had little Treyvon kept his damn hands to himself. I'm trying to remember the last time (even as a child) I laid a hand upon someone for following and or confronting me, in a non physical fashion........ NEVER!
Yes I posted in this thread quite a bit because I cared about the case. As someone who has been a victim of violence and wounded both physically and psychologically I had sympathy for the situation. I did not go cower in my closet after my incidents I recovered, analyzed and learned from them so that I could avoid them and be prepared if something else happened. Basically I rooted for Zimmerman while most of the media did not left or right. Since this is a firearms related website and I like firearms, I post on this forum mostly about firearm related issues. Quite frankly it was nice to create post that others could relate too on this case and read other members thoughts and ideas about was going on. Admit it or not many of us can go to our workplace and talk about related issues because of potential misunderstandings. To chat on Facebook you risk creating a firestorm with your friends and family. Quite frankly with the laws that were passed in Colorado and the way things have been politically for several years one does not find many positive avenues to talk about firearm related issues in many other social settings. Yes I do research what the other side is saying if I so inclined, not something I frequently do but if it is important to me I will do that. My posts on this matter are starting to decline on this Zimmerman case , and I hope my next outburst of posts will be talking about and overturn of the Magazine and Transfer laws, quite honestly I rather be hunting, fishing, trading, buying and shooting 15 rounds or more than creating a post![Beer]Quote:
Originally Posted by RMAC757
If those were his bed sheets, that's effing gross.Quote:
Originally Posted by cofi
If there is one thing that pisses me off is one member telling other members they shouldn't post their opinions. As for the law in Florida, you are immune to a civil suit if use of force is justifiable according to this link...http://www.leg.state.fl.us/statutes/.../0776.032.html
Looks like crumbs from creepy ass crackers and spilled purple drankQuote:
Originally Posted by bogie
The liberals on my friends list contend that
1. there was racism, that was the root cause.
2. The confrontation was initiated by Zimmerman, because he followed, and stand your ground applied to Trayvon as he was standing his ground.
I reminded them that they were wrong, the trial was over, and it wasnt decided that way. Their friends swarmed with emotional retorts about killing a child, hunting a black child, black men better be careful out there as the system allows whites to kill them...and all "liked" each others statuses, as if it is some sort of vindication.
Some men, you just can't reach.
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Originally Posted by Goodburbon
I have actually shot this article: http://rochester.ynn.com/content/top...tt-not-guilty/
back at people and ask them what is different. It has shut up a few.
One of the primary differences to me, is that GZ wasn't even trying to detain TM.Quote:
Originally Posted by muddywings
The African American intern on Zimmerman's defense team explicitly states she doesn't think he's a racist:
http://www.cnn.com/video/?/video/us/...gal-intern.cnn
How many times has she been called an Uncle Tom?Quote:
Originally Posted by mrghost
So when do the riots start? And a new push for gun control
I hope we can divert our attention to collectively getting our local laws overturned. At the end of the day most of us have a lot in common and a lot riding on this stuff.Quote:
Originally Posted by battle_sight_zero
[Beer]
If all you can see is the color of a man's skin, you will never know the man within.
Goodness and evil have no color.
As Americans we either have faith and confidence in our institutions, like the jury, or we have a lot of work to do to replace them with something better.
Anyone can destroy but it takes someone who loves something to build it up and make it better.
Be safe.
So I know Sen Reid, Al Sharpton and other local 'activists' have already cried for a civil rights trial and I'm not sure how that will play out with the FBI already concluding that this wasn't a race hate crime (even though everybody thinks it is) but how about the civil trail.
Per what I found, if he was acquitted of both 2nd and Man, then I'm thinking he can't be sued but not sure. Any other internet lawyers care to poke you noise at this one?
http://www.leg.state.fl.us/statutes/.../0776.032.html
The 2012 Florida Statutes
776.032 Immunity from criminal prosecution and civil action for justifiable use of force.—
(1) A person who uses force as permitted in s. 776.012, s. 776.013, or s. 776.031 is justified in using such force and is immune from criminal prosecution and civil action for the use of such force, unless the person against whom force was used is a law enforcement officer, as defined in s.943.10(14), who was acting in the performance of his or her official duties and the officer identified himself or herself in accordance with any applicable law or the person using force knew or reasonably should have known that the person was a law enforcement officer. As used in this subsection, the term “criminal prosecution” includes arresting, detaining in custody, and charging or prosecuting the defendant.
(2) A law enforcement agency may use standard procedures for investigating the use of force as described in subsection (1), but the agency may not arrest the person for using force unless it determines that there is probable cause that the force that was used was unlawful.
(3) The court shall award reasonable attorney’s fees, court costs, compensation for loss of income, and all expenses incurred by the defendant in defense of any civil action brought by a plaintiff if the court finds that the defendant is immune from prosecution as provided in subsection (1).
History.—s. 4, ch. 2005-27.
ugghhh look at the daylight between the beavertail and his thumb/forefinger, that thing'll stovepipe for sure. Also keep your finger off the trigger, hotshot.Quote:
Originally Posted by cofi
breakfast wasn't even done on the west coast before this shit appeared.Quote:
Originally Posted by brokenscout
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2013-0...tml?cmpid=yhoo
President Barack Obama called the killing of Florida teenager Trayvon Martin “a tragedy” for America that should lead citizens to ask if they are “doing all they can to stem the tide of gun violence that claims too many lives across this country on a daily basis.”
THis should be funQuote:
Originally Posted by jim
Just following Rahm Emmanual's philosophy.Quote:
Originally Posted by brokenscout
Fantastically well stated.Quote:
Originally Posted by cstone
In response to the many comments about BO's statement that we need to work on stemming the tide of gun violence, I agree, this is something that needs to be worked on. I do not believe, however, that the Zimmerman case has anything to do with gun violence. In my mind, gun violence is the criminal use of firearms to commit violent acts against another person. As such, self defense does not qualify. We have more and more criminals in places like Chicago, New York, DC, LA, etc. that know the general law-abiding public is unarmed. These individuals have no issue with doing harm to someone else to get what they want. If the foolishness of the laws restricting the lawful use/possession/carry of firearms for self defense could be overturned, the criminals would have to contend with the possibility that their victim could turn the tables. Perhaps then the tide of gun violence could be stemmed. But if those communities choose to remain naive to how the lawful carry of firearms makes for a safer society, then their misguided sense of safety will continue to plague them with violence, often with deadly consequences.
It's pretty simple, wasn't any violence until he made it so, following/watching someone is not illegal, attacking someone is and can be (as in this situation) deadly. What's wrong with having a conversation, on either side - "why are you following me? and "who are you and what are you up to?" versus attacking someone. Why couldn't HE simply go home as folks seem to think George should have done? Instead he chose to play the thug and paid the ultimate price.Quote:
Originally Posted by Goodburbon
I occasionally interact with folks I don't recognize in my neighborhood and the conversation is always (so far) simple and non-violent. How can Liberals so easily dismiss Trayvon's role in the outcome? Profiled, not profiled, racist or not, followed, scared or not it only came to this tragic result through HIS action. Specifically he chose to escalate what could have been a brief conversation (or a short dash home) to physical violence. What exactly does the rest of it matter? I will never understand those folks who operate on pure emotion with no regard to plain simple fact.
Good post, and what I've been trying to preach the whole time, yours was just better preached lol.Quote:
Originally Posted by Whistler
JUSTICE DEPARTMENT STATEMENT ON THEAs the Department first acknowledged last year, we have an open investigation into the death of Trayvon Martin. The Department of Justice’s Criminal Section of the Civil Rights Division, the United States Attorney’s Office for the Middle District of Florida, and the Federal Bureau of Investigation continue to evaluate the evidence generated during the federal investigation, as well as the evidence and testimony from the state trial. Experienced federal prosecutors will determine whether the evidence reveals a prosecutable violation of any of the limited federal criminal civil rights statutes within our jurisdiction, and whether federal prosecution is appropriate in accordance with the Department’s policy governing successive federal prosecution following a state trial.
TRAYVON MARTIN-GEORGE ZIMMERMAN CASE
Might be my wishful thinking, but I take that statement to mean something like, 'We're looking into it and will take action if necessary. Stop asking.'
pretty good summation of what's going to come next:
http://www.theatlanticwire.com/natio...mmerman/67178/
George Zimmerman has not seen his last courtroom. There are at least three other legal actions possible involving the man acquitted of murder in the killing of Trayvon Martin—two of which would see Zimmerman again in the role of defendant. In at least one of those, Zimmerman might justifiably be nervous about his chances. But he may go three-for-three.
The three possible lawsuits:
The United States v. George Zimmerman
The case: In March of last year, shortly after Trayvon Martin was killed, the Department of Justiceannounced its intent to review the case and determine if Zimmerman violated federal law in the killing. That investigation was initiated while Martin's family was still advocating for a criminal case filed by the state; once Zimmerman faced state charges, the Justice Department's investigation was tabled, according to The Times.
In a statement yesterday, the department indicated the case was being resumed. Fox News reported on Justice's announcement.
"The Department of Justice's Criminal Section of the Civil Rights Division, the United States Attorney's Office for the Middle District of Florida, and the Federal Bureau of Investigation continue to evaluate the evidence generated during the federal investigation, as well as the evidence and testimony from the state trial," the Justice Department said in a statement Sunday. "Experienced federal prosecutors will [now] determine whether the evidence reveals a prosecutable violation of any of the limited federal criminal civil rights statutes within our jurisdiction, and whether federal prosecution is appropriate in accordance with the Department's policy governing successive federal prosecution following a state trial."This language is similar to that used in the department's original statement.
In the aftermath of the verdict, there were widespread calls for federal action. Ben Jealous, head of the NAACP, contacted Attorney General Eric Holder to ask for federal charges; a petition introduced by the organization was widely shared. As were petitions at the White House website, as The Hill reports.
The likely winner of this case: Zimmerman—since it's unlikely the Department will press charges.
It's unlikely that the government will pursue criminal civil rights charges in The case: The Times explainswhy.
Three former Justice Department officials who once worked in the department’s Civil Rights Division, which is handling the inquiry, said Sunday that the federal government must clear a series of difficult legal hurdles before it could move to indict Mr. Zimmerman.A former U.S. Attorney explained to the Associated Press what that means in this specific case: "They'd have to show not only that the attack was unjustified, but that Mr. Zimmerman attacked Mr. Martin because of his race and because he was using a public facility, the street." That the killing occurred in a gated community may be enough to block any action by the Department of Justice.
“It is not enough if it’s just a fight that escalated,” said Samuel Bagenstos, who until 2011 served as the principal deputy assistant attorney general in the division. “The government has to prove beyond reasonable doubt that the defendant acted willfully with a seriously culpable state of mind” to violate Mr. Martin’s civil rights.
There have been some concerns about whether or not federal charges constitute an unconstitutional re-trying of Zimmerman, which could violate the constitutional protection against double jeopardy. The charges would not be for the same crime, however, centering on civil rights violations, not the killing itself.
Martin, Fulton, et. al. v. George Zimmerman
The case: In interviews on Sunday, the attorney for the Martin family (his father Tracy Martin and mother Sybrina Fulton) indicated that it was considering filing civil charges against Zimmerman, asMSNBC reports.
Such a case would echo another prominent racially tinged trial: the acquittal of O.J. Simpson in 1995. In the aftermath of that case, the families of those Simpson was accused of killing filed a civil suit, charging that Simpson caused his ex-wife Nicole Brown's wrongful death. CNN explains how that could be a roadmap for the Martin family.
Wrongful death is easier to prove than murder or manslaughter. A defendant can be held liable, even if he or she didn't intend to cause the victim's death, according to Florida law. Simple negligence is enough, if it results in death.The likely winner: Zimmerman, though it's not clear-cut.
Did Zimmerman act negligently, when he exited his vehicle to pursue Martin on foot while carrying a gun—although a 911 operator told him not to?
There's a complicating factor in this case: Florida's "stand your ground" law. The much-discussed law allows those who feel that their lives are threatened to use deadly force in response. Though Zimmerman didn't formally invoke that statute during his trial, Zimmerman's attorney, Mark O'Mara, has indicated that he would seek civil immunity for Zimmerman in that light. BuzzFeed spoke with an attorney in the state who explains why that might work.
“One of the things that ‘Stand Your Ground’ does, is it says that if you prove by a preponderance of the evidence, which is 51%, that you acted lawfully under ‘Stand Your Ground’ you can’t be prosecuted criminally sued civilly, and he’s just gotten a not guilty verdict,” [University of Miami criminal law professor Tamara Rice Lave] said. “And so it’s pretty clear he’s going to win that.”Other experts BuzzFeed spoke with see more nuance in the application of the statute—but even so, the family would have an uphill battle. The only other witness to what happened that night is, of course, dead. Martin and Fulton have until next February to file a civil suit.
George Zimmerman v. NBC Universal, et. al.
The case: Last December, Zimmerman filed a civil lawsuit against the television network for defamation. In a news broadcast covering the Martin killing, the network edited together two segments of a call Zimmerman made to 911, making it appear that he had spontaneously suggested that Martin looked like "he's up to no good," because he was black. The racial identification was instead a response to a question from the 911 dispatcher.
While the criminal case proceeded, NBC asked for a stay on the case. In the aftermath of Saturday's verdict, Zimmerman's legal team suggested it would quickly return to the NBC case, the Washington Post reports. The paper communicated with James Beasley, an attorney for Zimmerman.
“We’re going to start in earnest asap, we just have to get the stay lifted which is a ministerial act,” says Beasley, a Philadelphia lawyer, via e-mail.The likely winner: Toss-up. It's not clear how the case will proceed, but it's unlikely that NBC News will be enthusiastic about spending a lot of time defending its journalism in a highly visible case. Making one possible, and perhaps likely, outcome an out-of-court settlement in which the network doesn't accept any fault.
When asked how the not-guilty verdict affects the civil case against NBC News, Beasley responded, “This verdict of not guilty is just that, and shows that at least this jury didn’t believe that George was a racist, profiling, or anything that the press accused George of being. That probably doesn’t get you that much but it’s simply time for us to start the case and hold accountable anyone who was irresponsible in their journalism.”
If that happens, and if Zimmerman avoids suits from the government and Martin family, his legal record will be perfect, four-for-four. Perhaps law school isn't such a bad idea.
Nbc will settle imo
If i were him I'd be on my way to the moscow airport transit terminal.
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Really what it boils down to is that this case was a statistical anomaly.
http://www.bjs.gov/content/pub/pdf/bvvc.pdf
IMHO GTFO!
Agreed, however the frightening thing is that it was also an engineered anomaly.Quote:
Originally Posted by tmleadr03
The more I think about it I think this entire case was blown out of proportion and distorted by the leftist run media to achieve two main goals:
- Frighten the black community with the age old specter of "Violent White Racism" to keep them blindly and firmly voting in the Democrat camp (remember back when Bill Clinton was running for re-election and he raised the specter of "burning black churches"? Same thing here).
- Rise the rhetoric that states that America always has and always will be institutionally and by design racist (again to keep blacks blindly in the Democrat camp).
I believe that the Democrats are starting to fear what will happen when they finally shove Amnesty down our throats ... black folk (especially young and inexperienced ones) will NEVER be able to compete in the job market with formerly illegal Mexicans and they know this ... they know that Amnesty is going to push a lot of Blacks back into the Republican camp and so they had to nip this in the bud.
The fact that Zimmerman is actually Mexican just makes it all weirder (of course he has a Jewish sounding name, so that might help explain why he was targeted).