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09-17-2011, 19:21
Atrain1

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Originally Posted by sometimesright

I don't post much and I'm coming a little late to the party on this thread but I have been following the discussion with with interest and thought I would just toss out an opinion since it seems to be a difficult question, to be sure. I agree with the OP's general premise that training is extremely important, especially if someone chooses to CCW. That decision comes with an incredible amount of responsibility and there may come a day that one will find oneself in a position in which they have no desire to be. That being said (importance of training) it is my humble opinion that I have to know my limitations. Trying to operate outside those limitations may have disastrous consequences for me and others. I guess all I'm saying here (let me again stress I am speaking only for me) is that training is important and Heaven Forbid I am ever put in a situation such as the one being discussed here; but if I am, I need to assess all possible information before acting (including my own limitations) and do whatever I can, when I can, within my ability. If I haven't trained enough to successfully handle that situation, that is something with which I'll have to live for the rest of my life and and is something which I sincerely hope to never experience.

I am with you I think training is very important and I hope I am never put in a situation were I have to take another mans life.
09-17-2011, 19:27
Byte Stryke

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Originally Posted by Atrain1

I am with you I think training is very important and I hope I am never put in a situation were I have to take another mans life

and I prepare for it everyday
09-17-2011, 19:31
Atrain1

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Originally Posted by Byte Stryke

and I prepare for it everyday

You should when you strap that Iron to your hip. I just would not want to live with that on my conscience even if I had no choice.
09-18-2011, 00:50
mcantar18c

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Originally Posted by cofi

ok today i finally got a chance to try a 70 yard shot with my carry weapon(glock 30sf) and my carry loadout (24 rounds) against a man size steel target......
8 rounds in the chest
2 bounced up into legs off the ground
14 misses...........
thats 14 people that coulda been shot since that guys backstop was the restaurant......

that was me shooting satnding still with a target that was standing still not shooting at me i shoot way more then the average ccw holder since i do have a range in my backyard

And if you shot more at long ranges, you'd be better at it. That's the entire... and only... purpose of this thread. Not shooting at long range, but identifying where you need work and then working on it.

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Originally Posted by sometimesright

That being said (importance of training) it is my humble opinion that I have to know my limitations. Trying to operate outside those limitations may have disastrous consequences for me and others.

The goal is not to simply know your limitations, but to recognize those limitations so that you can improve them. Discover the areas you might be lacking in and then practice those skills until you become good at them.

The point of this thread was pretty much entirely missed... oh well.
09-18-2011, 03:30
sometimesright

Not entirely...

I'm not sure your entire point was missed, at least on my part. I'd like to take a brief moment to clarify what may have been misinterpreted by the sentence selected from the context of the entire post. It was not my intent to imply my only goal is to identify my limitations (again, I speak only for me). Training is important and I tend to think that knowing my own personal limitations is part and parcel of training in which I engage.

To me, training is also taking feedback about my performance and making adjustments. Once those limitations are identified, I should modify what I do to address those concerns. Essentially I was merely commenting that there may be situations in which I personally may not yet be at the level I could, which does not mean I stop trying to reach my desired level; but if placed in a situation wherein I could not be as successful as I would like, it is something with which I would have to cope.

Hopefully that clarified my random thoughts. Either way, your post served a purpose in that it generated much thought and discussion. Regardless of whether or not members totally agree with another's position, these types of discussion are valuable because they encourage a degree of self-reflection and evaluation. I appreciate the fact you started the ball rolling.

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Originally Posted by mcantar18c

And if you shot more at long ranges, you'd be better at it. That's the entire... and only... purpose of this thread. Not shooting at long range, but identifying where you need work and then working on it.

The goal is not to simply know your limitations, but to recognize those limitations so that you can improve them. Discover the areas you might be lacking in and then practice those skills until you become good at them.

The point of this thread was pretty much entirely missed... oh well.
09-19-2011, 23:20
mcantar18c

By no means am I trying to say we should act outside of our capabilities... I'm saying that the excuse "Its not something I've trained for, I don't know if I can do it" should never be something that comes out of your mouth as a man that carries a weapon. If you choose not to act in a situation, let it be because you don't WANT to, not because you aren't sure of yourself.
09-19-2011, 23:21
mcantar18c

And since we've been talking mostly about the IHOP incident, here's a good article about it by a guy that runs a combatives school...

http://www.warriortalknews.com/2011/...city-ihop.html
09-19-2011, 23:44
cstone

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Originally Posted by mcantar18c

And since we've been talking mostly about the IHOP incident, here's a good article about it by a guy that runs a combatives school...

http://www.warriortalknews.com/2011/...city-ihop.html

So you will be at Pawnee on Saturday morning to shoot 65 yards with us?
09-19-2011, 23:53
mcantar18c

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Originally Posted by cstone

So you will be at Pawnee on Saturday morning to shoot 65 yards with us?

When was this set up?
I asked if we had a set date in the Shooting Challenge (or whatever it was called) thread and got no response.
Either way, I can't make it. As I said in that thread I need to know about things a week and a half in advance to request off work, and in any case I will be in Cortez this weekend shooting things with these guys...
http://www.suarezinternationalstore....cortez-co.aspx
09-19-2011, 23:59
Great-Kazoo

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Originally Posted by mcantar18c

And since we've been talking mostly about the IHOP incident, here's a good article about it by a guy that runs a combatives school...

http://www.warriortalknews.com/2011/...city-ihop.html

And how many john doe ccw holders actually go past doing as little as possible to obtain their ccw?
I am in favor and advocate something other than sitting on your ass for 2-3 hours to get a CCW. Yet i read time and time again here and other gun boards. ITS A RIGHT WE SHOULD BE ISSUED A CCW AND NOT HAVE TO TAKE ANY CLASS!!!
So many folks choose the path of least resistance to get what they want and will do nothing to hone their skills after getting that coveted permit.
I agree TRAIN, TRAIN, TRAIN, you will never get enough trigger time and (as i agree with you) confidence until you do.
With that being said unless i was there , not armchair qb'ing, i cannot in clear conscience say i would have taken the shot.

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