Succession Threads: Merged

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Originally Posted by Teufelhund

Perspective: Yeah, it's kinda like that:

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There's no "Glory" in this secession.

I saw a comment that signing one of these petitions might be a legally enforceable citizenship resignation. I'll leave it to the legal experts here to comment.

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Originally Posted by Rucker61

There's no "Glory" in this secession.

I saw a comment that signing one of these petitions might be a legally enforceable citizenship resignation. I'll leave it to the legal experts here to comment.

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No but there is resolve, commitment and sacrifice. A secession by nature is a peaceful proposal of separation when considered can lead to formal recognition of grievances resulting in compromise or opposed can swell into revolution. Neither pretty nor glorious it is indicative of the high price of freedom when one seeks to impose their will on others through force.

I can't comment on the legality of the other though I would not dispute it beyond the capacity of the central government to perceive it as seditious (vs protected free speech) though it's unlikely vindictive redress would be generally well tolerated.

I received an email from my unit security manager that told us that our security clearances would be revoked if we signed any secession petitions. Also informed us that trying to incite secession could be grounds for other punishment under the UCMJ. Somehow I don't think anyone cares... If you are really going to support this stuff, no threat of clearance revocation is going to stop you.

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Originally Posted by Rucker61

There's no "Glory" in this secession.

I saw a comment that signing one of these petitions might be a legally enforceable citizenship resignation. I'll leave it to the legal experts here to comment.

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I think the mistake a lot of liberal folks are making today is writing off the dissatisfaction that spawned this recent desire for secession as tantamount to a tantrum because the candidate of a certain party lost. In reality, the underlying theme is the realization that a perceptibly socialistic administration has driven our economy, free market philosophy, and inalienable rights toward ineffectuality, and those who recognize the inevitable outcome would rather leave and start over than see it get any worse. It's not bitterness, it is admitting being outnumbered by communists and cutting one's losses. The Glory to be found is in this sentiment from a seemingly forgotten document:

"--That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness."

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Originally Posted by Whistler

No but there is resolve, commitment and sacrifice. A secession by nature is a peaceful proposal of separation when considered can lead to formal recognition of grievances resulting in compromise or opposed can swell into revolution. Neither pretty nor glorious it is indicative of the high price of freedom when one seeks to impose their will on others through force.

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That was a pun referencing the movie "Glory", in that this movement won't have any black people in it, unlike the movie.

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Originally Posted by Rucker61

That was a pun referencing the movie "Glory", in that this movement won't have any black people in it, unlike the movie.

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Originally Posted by Rucker61

That was a pun referencing the movie "Glory", in that this movement won't have any black people in it, unlike the movie.

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I'm not familiar with that movie and have no frame of reference however I will look into. Not sure I get the pun, are you implying a thirst for freedom or the will to attain it is bound by race? Am I to infer dissatisfaction with the current state of the union is purely a middle-aged-grumpy-white-guy-thing? Or are you simply taking the cheap shot at the lack of racial diversity in the painting?

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Originally Posted by Whistler

I'm not familiar with that movie and have no frame of reference however I will look into. Not sure I get the pun, are you implying a thirst for freedom or the will to attain it is bound by race? Am I to infer dissatisfaction with the current state of the union is purely a middle-aged-grumpy-white-guy-thing? Or are you simply taking the cheap shot at the lack of racial diversity in the painting?

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The movie "Glory" focused on a black Union regiment in the Civil War. The unit had white officers and fought to actually fight in battle. The comparison of the Civil War era unit portrayed in the painting to the current secession movement and the likely lack of any black signatories to a secesson pledge was the basis for the play on words.

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Originally Posted by Rucker61

The movie "Glory" focused on a black Union regiment in the Civil War. The unit had white officers and fought to actually fight in battle. The comparison of the Civil War era unit portrayed in the painting to the current secession movement and the likely lack of any black signatories to a secesson pledge was the basis for the play on words.

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Thanks for the explanation sounds interesting, I'll look for it on Netflix. In that context I grasp the sardonic jest and suspect that image would flop as a PSA as well. :)

That said I'll decline to engage the topic of slavery as emotionally-charged and generally irrelevant to a discussion of the legality and implications of secession.

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Originally Posted by Whistler

Thanks for the explanation sounds interesting, I'll look for it on Netflix. In that context I grasp the sardonic jest and suspect that image would flop as a PSA as well. :)

That said I'll decline to engage the topic of slavery as emotionally-charged and generally irrelevant to a discussion of the legality and implications of secession.

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Sounds good. Here's another pont that came to me during the "Glory" discussion. Texas' current demographics show that non-Hispanic whites make up only 45% of the population. That's likely to have an unintended impact on governance.