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Originally Posted by stevew

Yeah a Toyota had to winch up maybe but I have a Jeep! :-P
Jeep probably has more weight in the back (oh wait, I can touch the back from the front if I lay down).
I had gone tire shopping and found some kevlar ones that a couple of the tire guys had on their Jeeps and swore by them. Said they would do everything but ice and nothing really helped on just plain ice but studs or chains.

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Kevlar MTR's? There not bad on the ice either, IT"S ICE..... We did a frozen stream crossing and they did surprisingly well! Yes, your jeep is capable but you will find yourself venturing into harder and harder stuff, wanting to go on the "FUN" trails and you will eventually need the stuff i listed. So i say why procrastinate and "Just do it"! I grew up in Crawlorado and have been stuck many a time, needed a winch many a time. I am to old for that now so i go prepared for all Crawlorado has to offer...

Not counting the beer runs how long do you figure it would take to put a moderate lift on a 2007 X using air tools and a floor jack? I thought I was reading a moderate one is 3 1/2? Mines a TJ, not a JK. I originally got it so I didn't have to take my new mustang and park it at the grocery store for all those old ladys to ding up. But now that I have it I see a lot more potential than parking lots.

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Originally Posted by 10mm-man

I would do the lift yourself, not very hard and will save you $$$.... Have a built party and invite some guys over off the forum here and join JKOwners.com. I did my lift my self and it's not to hard...

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Ha, you're too old for that. I was in the USAF from 73 to 77 and you list USMC 90-94 so I'm just guessing here but I'm older. Its okay though, I still work out. And my kid's 20, not 10 :)

The bike is a 2002 Fatboy. I get to ride it a lot more now. Used to have 14mi's of dirt to make it home. Now living in the Meadows. I can even make it home now if it rains while I was out.

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Originally Posted by 10mm-man

Kevlar MTR's? There not bad on the ice either, IT"S ICE..... We did a frozen stream crossing and they did surprisingly well! Yes, your jeep is capable but you will find yourself venturing into harder and harder stuff, wanting to go on the "FUN" trails and you will eventually need the stuff i listed. So i say why procrastinate and "Just do it"! I grew up in Crawlorado and have been stuck many a time, needed a winch many a time. I am to old for that now so i go prepared for all Crawlorado has to offer...

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Originally Posted by stevew

Not counting the beer runs how long do you figure it would take to put a moderate lift on a 2007 X using air tools and a floor jack? I thought I was reading a moderate one is 3 1/2? Mines a TJ, not a JK. I originally got it so I didn't have to take my new mustang and park it at the grocery store for all those old ladys to ding up. But now that I have it I see a lot more potential than parking lots.

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I did mine solo- 3days, no directions and about 3 hours a day... I had no clue what i was doing! You can do a simple easy spacer lift or if you want something longer term do the other. I would say if you have a couple guys about 3-4 hours.... No beer until done, or maybe just one or two.....

[QUOTE=10mm-man;918975]This is how you do it with out a winch: [Coffee]
http://i435.photobucket.com/albums/q...d/P1240295.jpg [ /QUOTE]

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Originally Posted by 10mm-man

What kind of trails are you wanting to hit? If your looking at wanting to do the majority of the ones in Colorado you will need; lift, tires, winch, lockers, etc. Right now you can do the majority of the dirt roads, but getting off road will be challenging stock.

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Almost true. In red isn't needed for about 80% of the trails in Colorado but they do help

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Originally Posted by 10mm-man

This is how you do it with out a winch: [Coffee]
http://i435.photobucket.com/albums/q...d/P1240295.jpg [ /QUOTE]


Almost true. In red isn't needed for about 80% of the trails in Colorado but they do help

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Correction; not needed as stated but if you wish not to power it out, break shit, twist shit up and crawl smoothly. They do help! A LOT.....

When you bringing that BEAST out? Notice the winch....... Bet she has lockers too!

P.S- i didn't quote that ugly Toy.... ha

http://i435.photobucket.com/albums/q...d/P1240298.jpg



The TOYOTA was mine....never understood the jeep thing. Just kidding I'm not a brand whore but if you're gonna play with the big boys don't cry when you break or even dent your rig...all part of the sport.

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Originally Posted by opie011

http://photobucket.com/albums/qq75/opie011/Random Wheeling Pics/Labor Day Camp trip 08/The Little Toyota That Could

The TOYOTA was mine....never understood the jeep thing. Just kidding I'm not a brand whore but if you're gonna play with the big boys don't cry when you break or even dent your rig...all part of the sport.

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Originally Posted by 10mm-man

PASSWORD?????????

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Sorry can't figure out how to make it public on the iPad

The wife is actually hanging in the 5pt harness in this pic....I told her to hang out while I get a pic!
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Originally Posted by 10mm-man

P.S- i didn't quote that ugly Toy.... ha

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She may have been ugly but had enough parts in it to buy a new car!

I loved the line lock and the rear driveline disconnect...front digs were fun, could spin on a dime
I want to build another but all my money goes into savings or guns now[M2]

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Originally Posted by 10mm-man

What kind of trails are you wanting to hit? If your looking at wanting to do the majority of the ones in Colorado you will need; lift, tires, winch, lockers, etc. Right now you can do the majority of the dirt roads, but getting off road will be challenging stock.

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Maybe if you are driving blind folded. I'm sure the snow complicates things.

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Originally Posted by Irving

Maybe if you are driving blind folded. I'm sure the snow complicates things.

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Still waiting on you, to come out and show us how it's done....... Help with the blindfold please..........

You just told a guy that he could only drive on dirt roads. No one can argue that your list doesn't grant access to more difficult trails, but lockers, lift, and winch are hardly required for MOST trails in Colorado. My buddy wheeled his stock Rubicon with me all summer once and he never even got any trail damage. He very rarely had to use his lockers. It is all about picking your lines.

Are you just inviting me out so you can watch me break and stock truck and talk shit the whole time?

P.S. I think a rear locker should be the #1 mod to do on any off road vehicle. Even before a lift and bigger tires.

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Originally Posted by Irving

You just told a guy that he could only drive on dirt roads. No one can argue that your list doesn't grant access to more difficult trails, but lockers, lift, and winch are hardly required for MOST trails in Colorado. My buddy wheeled his stock Rubicon with me all summer once and he never even got any trail damage. He very rarely had to use his lockers. It is all about picking your lines.

Are you just inviting me out so you can watch me break and stock truck and talk shit the whole time?

P.S. I think a rear locker should be the #1 mod to do on any off road vehicle. Even before a lift and bigger tires.

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I won't talk shit, I'll just say; told you so once or twice and we will have fun! I don't want to give the wrong impression, there are many trails a stock jeep can go. I think I said this and I said; it will be "challenging", say it won't. I have had stock everything and had a blast, breaking shit, digging it out, etc. You know as well as I do, all those items make it "easy" and more enjoyable...... I don't think I painted the picture that they are a must or a requirement. You will just be limited to were you can and can't go, how easy it is and how much work you want to put into going there.

So I see you commenting all the time but have yet to wheel with ya.... Let's all get together and go wheel it up! It'll be fun... I know T-Giv and USAGofermike is down...

O and I agree on the rear locker over other stuff 1st. And a stock Rubi is way more capable than the majority of the stuff out there. I almost wish i wouldn't have lifted mine and just left it stock!

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Originally Posted by opie011

She may have been ugly but had enough parts in it to buy a new car!

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Dude! I think she is B.A.!! Was thinking how much I would like to have a rig like that...... Pure trail machine no doubt!

I want to go with you guys, but you usually go during the week and on short notice. I've been watching this thread so I can take a day off and go. At the same time, I'm not going to show up to a place I know I can't do, and ruin the day for everyone. I don't even have winch points on my low truck.

The most difficult (in my opinion, and in my knowledge) trails the stock Rubicon did was Spring Creek and Left Hand Canyon. I wouldn't take my stock truck up Spring Creek without getting sliders at least.

I want Spring Creek to be our next run.

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Looks like my Jeeps older brother!

I never took my Tacoma up the first obstacle at Spring Creek, but a buddy with a near identical set-up (and more experience) did. He also had sliders and a tougher rear bumper.

Look at this video I just got emailed to me tonight. I think this guy is a clown.

http://www.youtube.com/embed/GzXVLbs41Ew

That things is nuts. By the way thanks 10mm for uploading that vid of me. My exhaust sounds nice indeed. [Beer]

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Originally Posted by Irving

Look at this video I just got emailed to me tonight. I think this guy is a clown.

http://www.youtube.com/embed/GzXVLbs41Ew

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The buggy is badass but tearing shit up for the sake of tearing shit up is rather douchey.

I wonder if it has a low gear? Seems like half that stuff 10mm-man could do just by taking it easy. That dude was just launching all over the place. He didn't even make it up some of the stuff because he wasn't in control at all. Seemed like he was getting used to the 4 wheel steering as well.

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Originally Posted by blacklabel

The buggy is badass but tearing shit up for the sake of tearing shit up is rather douchey.

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^ This. Cool build. Douche-hole driver. Reminds me of that Icelandic buggy rail dragster stuff.

No doubt, the newer (read last 10 years) Jeeps/Rubis are very well built and far more capable than previous models out of the box, and a rear locker is easily the best bang for the buck when it cames to increasing your trail options. After that, it's taller tires which necessitate the lift. Winch is not needed, but nice. Decent winch points are more important. Above all else, a decent driver with a can do attitude who chooses decent lines and has a couple of friends to wheel with is your #1 asset.

Edit - Spring Creek looks cool. I'm airing down a bit next time.

I've decided I can at least spend the money to install an Aussie Locker in the rear of my truck.

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Originally Posted by Irving

I've decided I can at least spend the money to install an Aussie Locker in the rear of my truck.

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/clap! when we going wheeling?

We'll see what this spring/summer brings. I've got some other stuff I need to fix (maintenance) on the truck first.

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Originally Posted by Irving

We'll see what this spring/summer brings. I've got some other stuff I need to fix (maintenance) on the truck first.

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Me too.. but still want to hit a few trails this month and next.

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Originally Posted by Irving

I never took my Tacoma up the first obstacle at Spring Creek, but a buddy with a near identical set-up (and more experience) did. He also had sliders and a tougher rear bumper.

Look at this video I just got emailed to me tonight. I think this guy is a clown.

http://www.youtube.com/embed/GzXVLbs41Ew

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Yes, but it is a bad ass rig!

Let's do it in a run in a few weeks! I am going to get a truss welded to my front end in a couple weeks. T-Giv how are the brake lines coming?

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Originally Posted by 10mm-man

Let's do it in a run in a few weeks! I am going to get a truss welded to my front end in a couple weeks. T-Giv how are the brake lines coming?

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That's a good idea. Should probably look into it as well, might help me put off the D60 upgrade a little longer.

I'm still shopping around for my lines. Alamo has been costing mucho $$$ lately as has the wifey. I need to pull some OT shifts to get things back in the green before I get back to the Jeep stuff. My birthday is coming up in a few weeks though and looks like I'm getting the Aussie lunchbox front locker. Anyone have any install experience with those? Looks relatively basic but could also turn into a nightmare. With the brake lines, finally airing down now that I have my tank, and getting the front locked up I will be ready to get seriously down n' dirty!

That buggy tearing $hit up is how dem good 'ol boys do back east. I'm not one to cheer on people fuking the land up but that vid compilation I'm sure was done at many off road parks they have(private land)

T-giv, are you at all worried about having an Aussie locker on your front in off-camber, slippery situations? Refer to the buggy video again for examples.

I'm not. I have read a bunch of reviews on it and talked to a few guys that run it. They said that theirs has held up and worked well even in heavy articulation and very slippery stuff. Considering it's only $300 I'm definitely going to at least give it a shot.

I'm not asking if you are worried about it not working, I'm asking if you are concerned about not being able to turn it off. Have you ever been locked and spinning on an off camber road or trail? Without one wheel to anchor you, the locked axle will simply slide down the hill. I almost put my truck into one of the ponds behind Water World once, and that was just with an LSD in the rear and a muddy dirt road that was only slightly off camber. If it weren't for the front axle anchoring me, I would have ended up in the pond. Is your rear locker selectable?

EDIT: Let me clarify. I would actually be less worried about having a locked front on a capable trail rig, that is on a trail; and more so on driving in slick conditions on the roads. A lunchbox or LSD on the rear only is pretty manageable on the streets in the snow, but I'd be VERY hesitant to drive with the front locked in the snow, if the rear was also locked. I just recently did a TON of reading on this because Aussie makes a front locker for IFS set-ups as well. There is a guy over in Grand Junction with an Aussie on both axles, he says he does not drive his truck in slick conditions on the roads.

On the other hand, here is a video of an XJ with an Aussie on the front and LSD in the rear to encourage you. ;)

Ah I see what you are saying now. Yes I have also been concerned about being locked all the time in the snow on street. The Aussie however unlocks when the wheels are turned either direction and it is unlocked all of the time when the rig is in 2 wheel drive. So from those whom I have talked to said that in the snow it takes a little getting used to but that once you know how it reacts it's a non issue. I guess I won't know until I try it?

Well, I ran into two thoughts that I agreed with.

1) If you have manual hubs and you NEED an anchor, you could just get out and unlock one hub and have 3-wheel drive.
2) If you are able to drive more than 20-30 mph in slick conditions, then you likely won't need to be in 4-drive anyway.

I've driven a front wheel drive car with a front LSD and it was WAY better in the snow than non-LSD. I can only imagine if I had had actual snow tires. When on an off-camber street, if I goosed it enough to break the front tires loose, it would always predictably slide toward the edge of the road. That was something I was always in control of though, and it never created an issue. Not to mention I had both rear wheels to anchor me.

My Amigo has an LSD in the rear, and when driving on flat, snowy surfaces, it might as well be just be fully locked. It is easy to goose the throttle and have the back end come around on me. I had to learn to drive it a little bit because of that. Making turns onto a street under any decent amount of acceleration is asking for trouble, but again, that is something very controllable and you quickly learn not to drive like a moron.

I think the new Ford F-150 Raptor comes with a selectable rear locker and a front LSD. That's pretty cool, but I bet it will get people into trouble driving around in snow storms in 4-wheel drive.

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Originally Posted by T-Giv

The Aussie however unlocks when the wheels are turned either direction and it is unlocked all of the time when the rig is in 2 wheel drive.

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As for this, from what I read, it sounds like it unlocks when you take your foot off the gas. So as long as you are not powering through turns, it shouldn't be too big of a deal.

Found a lot of limits to my ride today. Mostly having to do with not having a lift and a locker. :p
I got high centered going down a hill. I called my buddy who lives near by and he came over and hopped on the bumper a few times and shook me loose. That was right about the time the police showed up. The officer was pretty cool about it and didn't give me a hard time.

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Originally Posted by Irving

Found a lot of limits to my ride today. Mostly having to do with not having a lift and a locker. :p
I got high centered going down a hill. I called my buddy who lives near by and he came over and hopped on the bumper a few times and shook me loose. That was right about the time the police showed up. The officer was pretty cool about it and didn't give me a hard time.

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Winch would have prob got you out and then you wouldn't have to bug your buddy! lol I once got stuck the same way, passenger on the bumper jumping up and down a few times, did the trick! Were were you at that the police showed up?