And people who have a family member justifiably shot by the police would never make up a story or tell lies about how it happened? [cough Michael Brown cough]Quote:
Originally Posted by bobbyfairbanks
And people who have a family member justifiably shot by the police would never make up a story or tell lies about how it happened? [cough Michael Brown cough]Quote:
Originally Posted by bobbyfairbanks
[beatdeadhorse]
Is that one of Bundy's dead cattle?? WHY ARE YOU BEATING IT?! [panic]Quote:
Originally Posted by cstone
http://www.oregonlive.com/oregon-sta...cart_big-photo
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Cliven Bundy, the Nevada rancher who touched off one armed showdown with federal authorities and applauded another started in Oregon by his sons, was arrested late Wednesday at Portland International Airport and faces federal charges related to the 2014 standoff at his ranch.
Bundy, 74, was booked into the downtown Multnomah County jail at 10:54 p.m.
He faces a conspiracy charge to interfere with a federal officer -- the same charge lodged against two of his sons, Ammon and Ryan, for their role in the Jan. 2 takeover of the Malheur National Wildlife Refuge in Burns. He also faces weapons charges.
Bundy is no hero of mine but WTF does "conspiracy to interfere with an officer" consist of? Two people talking about doing something that prevents a LEO from doing something?
The standoff from 2014. Did you think the feds had forgotten about that? Nope they were just biding their time.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rumline
IANAL but that seemed like a lot more than just conspiracy though.
I was asking about in general...what is considered to be "conspiracy to interfere with an officer"?
I would guess it's probably 18 USC section 372:Quote:
Originally Posted by Rumline
If you recall the BLM went to Bundy's ranch to seize the cattle that were illegally grazing there. Bundy and others then showed up, armed, and forced the feds to back off. That would seem to meet all of the requirements of the charge.Quote:
18 U.S. Code § 372
If two or more persons in any State, Territory, Possession, or District conspire to prevent, by force, intimidation, or threat, any person from accepting or holding any office, trust, or place of confidence under the United States, or from discharging any duties thereof, or to induce by like means any officer of the United States to leave the place, where his duties as an officer are required to be performed, or to injure him in his person or property on account of his lawful discharge of the duties of his office, or while engaged in the lawful discharge thereof, or to injure his property so as to molest, interrupt, hinder, or impede him in the discharge of his official duties, each of such persons shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than six years, or both.
I would also guess that there will actually be a laundry list of other charges as well including:
18 USC Section 231, civil disorders,
18 U.S. Code § 930 - Possession of firearms and dangerous weapons in Federal facilities
18 U.S. Code § 1361 - Malicious Mischeif (Government property or contracts)
18 U.S. Code § 1503 - Influencing or injuring officer or juror generally
And that's what I could pull up just in a cursory search of 18 USC (the criminal portion of Federal statutes.) There's probably a long list of state charges they could face as well - intimidation of a public official, obstruction of justice, etc.
Rumors coming out now that the FBI may be readying dozens of warrants for folks that were present at Bundy Ranch. Also, sounds like in addition to Cliven Bundy getting arrested, a few of the folks that have been with him since the ranch standoff (Blaine Cooper, and two other Bundy "body guards) were picked up by the FBI at separate locations Wednesday.
Might be getting ready to see a wide net cast...
I guess I'm still hung up on the "conspire to" part of it. Wouldn't an example of that being Bundy and his son talking to each other about blocking BLM from seizing the cattle? Maybe that's the clearest-cut thing they could charge him with but it seems pretty small fry, relatively speaking.