Gonna be a mess - got an excuse to agitate

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Originally Posted by VDW

Last I heard, police departments around the country are constantly hiring from a dwindling pool of people willing to choose LE as a career. If you think you can do better, please apply. Limit the laws being passed that LE are tasked with enforcing? I?m with you there. If your dream is a world without LE, I couldn?t disagree more. Think you can take care of you and your own in the absence of LE? Good for you, not everyone can. Remember the same mobs ready to lynch a cop every time something doesn?t look like something they approve of, will be there ready to lynch you too.

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I can’t be a cop no matter what. Four fused vertebrae keep me from a few occupations.

Don’t get me wrong, I’m al for the rule of law, and I’m all for having a good and honorable police force. Unfortunately we have an issue in this country with cops not conducting themselves in an honorable or appropriate manner.

I’d also say that there are some obvious reasons as to why there are less and less people interested in becoming LEO in this country, and I think it’s pretty obvious that with that smaller pool of applicants that we’re getting poorer quality officers.

Enforcing red flag laws
No knock raids in the middle of the night
Pushing people in to cattle cars...

Where do you think we should draw the line, say enough is enough and that a massive change needs to be made?

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Originally Posted by MrAK

Yup, I skipped about 12 pages of comments

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There's nothing like jumping into the conversation informed, but hey, you've got all the answers already.

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Originally Posted by MrAK

Where do you think we should draw the line, say enough is enough and that a massive change needs to be made?

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I'd love to hear what your solution for massive change is.

In other news:
Minneapolis mayor says 'white supremacists,' 'out of state instigators' behind protests, but arrests show different story

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A USA Today report quoted a security consultant saying intelligence reports indicate many of the more serious protesters are far-left or anarchists, without a significant appearance yet by far-right groups -- while noting locals and outsiders could be involved in conflicts with authorities.

In a tweet posted Saturday, a person who appears to be Minnesota Attorney General Keith Ellison can be seen with a copy of "Antifa, the Anti-Fascist Handbook."

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I went to one of the reopen Colorado rallies a while back. I was called a grandma murder, selfish, and a moron among other things. Thousands of people wished death upon the attendees in comments all over the web. The news media chastised us. The Mayor and Gov had not so nice things to say about us refusing to stay home.

But the mayor and Gov literally thanked these people over the last three days. The mayor said "he hears them, he sees them, he stands with them".

One protests didn't damage a thing. The others have cost an amazing amount of damage.

One protest shook hands and chatted with the police. One protest wishes death to the police.

One protest carried American flags and sang patriotic songs even though the government was busy taking away their rights. The other protest hates America.

One protest was regarding a topic that DIRECTLY affected the people protesting. The other is about a situation that has nothing to do with them.

One protest ended with people cleaning up and heading home in peace. The other ends in riots, each day.

But for some reason, the first protest got nothing but condemnation while the other one gets literal thanks.

These times are fucked up.

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Originally Posted by Gman

I'd love to hear what your solution for massive change is.

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Wouldn’t all freedom loving Americans like to hear a solution for that massive change?

Are you happy with the current culture in our nations LEO or the direction it’s been heading for decades?

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Originally Posted by MrAK

Wouldn’t all freedom loving Americans like to hear a solution for that massive change?

Are you happy with the current culture in our nations LEO or the direction it’s been heading for decades?

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If your conclusion is that there's need for massive change, you obviously have it all worked out. Let's hear how you would like to change it.

If you don't have an answer, your just angry and bitching about the status quo. Kind of like the rioters.

I've never backed what these cops did, but you might have missed that skipping 12 pages of comments.

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Originally Posted by MrAK

Wouldn’t all freedom loving Americans like to hear a solution for that massive change?

Are you happy with the current culture in our nations LEO or the direction it’s been heading for decades?

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Thank goodness they stepped in with 2,000 pages of ACA to help "fix" the medical system. I can't wait until they "fix" this too?

Fantasy utopias are a fun play exercise, but eventually we have to come back and live here.

My answer would be to go back to the Feds going by the Constitution...and that's it. Get rid of all of the bloat and the Feds in our daily lives. Let the states deal with the issues at their level to support the needs of their people.

...but we all know that won't happen unless things get really ugly. I'm not looking forward to that.

Gman and MrAK, I have a feeling we all agree to some extent the founding fathers set up a pretty damn good baseline. I think we also would agree that many or most of our current problems politically stem from how far we?ve drifted from the founder?s original vision of a limited government. Maybe I?m wrong... I seem to be getting a lot of my people reading wrong these days.