Paperwork error. I have to sign something or something. Its taken a year to figure it out.
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Paperwork error. I have to sign something or something. Its taken a year to figure it out.
Dont drag your feet getting it corrected. You only have 30 days from the correction notice date.Quote:
Originally Posted by DOC
Trust Form 4 check cashed late Jan 2017. ATF deficiency letter mailed out Jan 16 and received from dealer Feb 1, sent back to the ATF asap. Approved on Feb 12 and stamp received at dealer Feb 20.
Form 4 Silencer on a Trust (me and wife)
Purchased 10-12-16
Form 4 mailed 12-22-16
Check cashed 12-27-16
Stamp Approved 1-2-18 D. Wood
Dealer notified 2-7-18
Picked up 2-24-18
372 days from cashed to approved
Holy crap! That’s brutal, Brutal.Quote:
Originally Posted by brutal
He didn't have me sign anything. I went back and there was 3 signatures needed. I didn't date one of them so I hope its not an issue?
Once you sign where necessary it's gtg. They usually put those back in the place they were in the approval process.Quote:
Originally Posted by DOC
Quote:
Originally Posted by brutal
All this just to collect a tax
Taling to ATF a while ago they said the major delay in filing under a trust is the FBI. After the ATF receives the Form 4 then have to send it to the FBI, who doesn't know what to do with it so they sit on it. Then they mail it back to the ATF at some point and it's approved.
Sent the paperwork in June 29, 2017
Approved February 27, 2018
Received the stamp March 15, 2018
Using the silencer shop was worth the $5. The first one that I did with regular paperwork was from December until? Its still in ATF limbo. And it took a year to figure out the paperwork wasn't signed. So it could be any day.
Form 1 SBR Trust 1 Responsible Person
via Silencer Shop
Galil SAR
Submitted: 8-15-17
Approved: 3-13-18
Received: 3-19-18
Form 4 Trust - One person
Check cashed 7/25/17
Approved 3/1
Stamp at FFL 3/12/18
Transfer times are getting better
Form 4 Trust (paper), one responsible person
Sent 8/1/17,
Check cashed 8/8/17
Approved 3/7/18
Stamp at FFL 3/19/18
Check cashed 9/05/17
Still waiting....
Form 4 Paper Trust, only myself as trustee
Mailed 3/13/2017
CC Charged 3/17/2017
Stamp Received 3/24/2018
Form 4 - Trust
Mailed out 8/4/2017
ATF Approval 3/28/2018
At FFL 4/14/2018
We are seeing Form 4s for trusts running 7-8 months right now.
Form 1s about the same.
Form 1 Short Barrel Shotgun
Individual
Mailed November 21, 2017
Received approved in todays mail, May 10, 2018.
5 months 19 days.
Time to sharpen up the hacksaw.
Form 1 SBR
Individual
Mailed 2/19/18
Check cashed 3/2/18
Stamp in hand 7/11/18
142 days or 4 months, 22 days.
Form 4 individual mailed 1/11/18 check cashed 2/13/18 and still waiting on approval..
Individual through silencer ship kiosk. Submitted 1/10/18 received 7/12/18
Form 4 Individual, done through Silencer Shop's kiosk for the first time. Ordered 1/10/18, Cashed 2/13/18, Stamp 8/9/18, Stamp received 8/18/18.
We have been seeing Dec-Feb submissions coming back.
Form 4 individual through Silencershop kiosk.
Check cashed 3/1/2018
Tax stamp picked up 9/18/2018.
Form 4 can
Trust
Mailed 9-9-2018
Certified Priority 2-day
Card charged 9-18-2018
Silencerco BOGO from DLI purch 7-13-18 (JIT)
Registered for free can 7-14-18
FINALLY got my confirmation on the free can 9-4-18
Had a couple December and Feb forms come back last week.
We just received Jan/Feb Form 4's
My buddy is still waiting for 2 form 4s submitted last sept 12th. They have been stuck at the FBI for months. Strange.
Got my confirmation for my free can as well this week. Now to wait another four months before they process/ship it.Quote:
Originally Posted by brutal
Does anyone ever check to see the status? Is it even worth it? I had an sbr through kiosk submitted in January and got it back like June then submitted a sbs in February and nothing yet. Just wanted to make sure everything is in process I know each case is completely different.
Everytime someone calls and checks, it takes them away from running checks...
Which is horseshit that they are ending up taking about as long as the actual fking NFA submission.Quote:
Originally Posted by SouthPaw
Yes, I have called them on a couple itemsQuote:
Originally Posted by tmckay2
. They basically will only tell you if it is pending or not. Will tell you the timeframe of applications they are working on, but that is all I could get from them.
I have been told several things when calling for status check. When you call you get a clerk type person that is getting information from their computer. You do not talk to a person actually processing Forms. The status person can tell that it has been received, if it is pending, if it approved, if it is approved pending correction, if it has been sent to be mailed out as approved or sent for correction. They can give you dates for those things. They can tell you all those things if it is in the computer. They can also tell you how to get a Official Copy of an Approved Form that they show as being Approved and mailed 3 months ago. They can answer some other procedural questions too. Talking to these guys does not interrupt the flow of processing the Forms.
Anything else they can transfer your call to someone that is actually working on processing the Forms. It can be someone handling your specific Form or someone not handling your Form. I think the processor people are called Examiners. Talking to an Examiner takes their time away from processing forms.
The last time I called them was about 2 years ago so this may all be out of date.
Form 4 individual
Cash date: 3-27-18
Approved date: 10-4-18
Form 1 or 4?Quote:
Originally Posted by grubby669
Trust or individual?
Form 4 trust with 2 people
Check cashed 2/6/18
Approved 8/10/18
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edited my original postQuote:
Originally Posted by drew890
eforms (form 1) is back online...
Still have to mail in prints, and upload scanned (signed) RPQ's. Prints have to be mailed with the cover sheet form the application within 10 days of filing online.
Haven't really dug into it - I had one still in draft I never submitted.
Seems a bit of a hassle over just mailing the damn things.
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Special Instructions for Individuals, Trusts and Legal Entities
FILING AS AN INDIVIDUAL
The applicant must attach a digital photo in the Photo function on the Responsible Person tab.
The applicant must also provide his or her fingerprints on Form FD-258. The fingerprints will be submitted separately from the application. Upon submission of the application, the eForms system will email a cover sheet to the applicant. The cover sheet is to be printed as it will provide the control number of the transaction and the address where to send the fingerprint cards. The cover sheet and fingerprint cards MUST be mailed to the NFA Division within 10 business days of filing the application.
FILING AS A TRUST OR OTHER LEGAL ENTITY
In addition to providing the documentation of the existence of the trust or other legal entity, the applicant must electronically provide a photograph and completed ATF Form 5320.23, NFA Responsible Person Questionnaire (RPQ), for each responsible person (see definition 1.e on the instruction page) of the trust or legal entity. When filed via eForms, when in the Responsible Person function, the applicant will identify each responsible person and attach the photograph and a scanned, signed RPQ from that person. All photographs and RPQ forms must be attached to the application prior to submission.
The fingerprints for each responsible person must also be submitted. As for an individual applicant, the fingerprint cards must be sent to the NFA Division. The eForms system will email a cover sheet to the applicant listing the names of the responsible persons and is to be printed. The cover sheet and the fingerprint cards for all RP’s MUST be mailed in one batch to the NFA Division within 10 days of filing the application.
Please note that the F 5320.23, NFA RPQ, form is available in a fillable version on the ATF website (www.atf.gov). The form can be completed and printed for signature and scanning.
im assuming approved date is the day it was approved - whats the normal wait for them to send it back to your shop?