DHS Denies Ammo Purchases Aimed at Civilians

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Originally Posted by Ridge

Do you expect DHS to "defend the homeland" with good feelings and tupperware parties? And I guarantee you soldiers in Afghanistan are using 100x more ammo than any DHS personnel.

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First, I am not a conspiracy fearing, tin-foil hat wearing person. I do find certain aspects of our current leadership in D.C. disconcerting to say the least. Second, I make my judgments based on facts and empirical data. Given the amount of ammo ordered by DHS divided by the number of reported agents indicates they are ordering a large amount of ammo per agent. Do they need plenty of ammo?? Of course...but one has to wonder why, given there aren't too many examples of all-out gun battles with insurgents in the streets of the U.S. , they need as many rounds as ordered. Also, I am not saying that the DHS is entirely responsible for the current ammo shortage. Case in point: .22 ammo. There are about 1.2 billion rounds of .22 LR manufactured in the U.S. per year. Given that DHS does not use that ammo, the only reasonable conclusion that there is a shortage of .22 ammo is that the public is in a buying frenzy. That buying frenzy is, no doubt, fueled by fear generated by the all-out assault on our second amendment rights. And another point; unless you have recently served or are serving in Afghanistan it is very difficult for you to "guarantee" anything about what our soldiers have.

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Originally Posted by jim

I bet if you link this thread up with this other one some of you would have an answer. Since you're a newer member i will also "guess" you have not figured out the SEARCH FUNCTION icon yet.
http://www.ar-15.co/threads/100923-O...-Ammo-Shortage

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Thank you for the link. Although I am a newer member to this forum I assure you I know how to use the search function. I am a longtime member of several other forums and have run my own site in the past...if I was looking for more posts on this topic I certainly would use the search function. I only made a comment to this thread because it was relevant to a discussion I heard on the radio the day before.

After you read the rather short article, scroll down and check out the gun control cartoon link, it will probably make you a little mad and a little sick. The misrepresentations really show the hippocrites for what they are.

Sooo, if DHS is not buying all of this for domestic use, why isn't it all FMJ?

They claim to need 1,000 rounds per officer to become proficient? I didn't even shoot 700 rounds in instructor school... cute.

It's called an IDIQ contract. Indefinite Delivery/Indefinite Quantity. The USG issues these all the time for all kinds if purchases. Most of the time they never reach the quantities or dollar values contracted for. It is not unusual for them to issue these for 1,000,000 widgets at a cost of $2 each with a potential value of $2,000,000. Then at contract close-out they have purchased only 100,000 for a total of $200,000.

I'll save my tin foil for now.

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Originally Posted by lead_magnet

They claim to need 1,000 rounds per officer to become proficient? I didn't even shoot 700 rounds in instructor school... cute.

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Colorado POST academies will run through 1500-5000/student, depending upon the academy.

Was that 700 rounds that you shot, to take you from "proficient" to "instructor," or from "zero" to "instructor?" My last instructor school was low round count, but was focused on teaching methods more than on developing my own skills, on the assumption that we were already competent.

Oh, and what sroz said. I think someone on LF already demolished this whole story just from Alex Jones screwing up the math.

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Originally Posted by lead_magnet

They claim to need 1,000 rounds per officer to become proficient? I didn't even shoot 700 rounds in instructor school... cute.

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well according to them

"DHS agents and officers need extensive training because they are "exposed to a variety of situations" and "only have that weapon to protect their lives," Medina said. "They can't contact air support [like an officer in an army could.] They have to be proficient at a very high level.""

i mean you cops can call in A-10s and artillery and stuff why would you guys need ammo for training

I bet the dems. get a financial kick back for the order.

What need to start happening is American ammo manufacturers need to curb sales they accept from DHS. Figure out that they are trying to shut them down in the long and need to stand up.