Great article "The Rifle on the Wall: A Left Argument for Gun Rights"

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10-23-2013, 10:30
nynco

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Originally Posted by cstone

I hope you don't expect reciprocity [ROFL1]

To me the RTKBA is a simple, fundamental, right instilled in all citizens by our Creator. It is one of many rights I believe i have at birth that just happens to be guaranteed by the Constitution. Progressives seem intent to replace my rights with government dependence. Their need seems to be driven by both their desire for control and a perverted sense of paternalism. I want neither and will accept neither.

I think there is some truth to that but it is also far to short sighted. The same thing can be said of the right on many other issues. Most obvious being the freedom to take drugs if a person so chooses. So neither side is exactly perfect. Not all opinions on the left are wrong and neither are all opinions on the right correct. I honestly think the insane positions taken by both sides are done on purpose to keep the people in check from ever calling for real reform to our corrupt system of government and finance.
10-23-2013, 10:32
cstone

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Originally Posted by nynco

Bailey... heres a dream for you. I dream of a time when there is no attack on gun rights from either side. How will that happen by working to make gun rights a non partisan issue. By keeping it as a partisan issue then we will always be at risk of losing our rights.

And I dream of a time when murdering unborn children will not be a partisan/political issue. It's a pipe dream.

Many people fundamentally disagree about the nature of man and his relationship to other men. Many of these same people fundamentally disagree about the meaning of the Constitution and a citizen's relationship with the government the Constitution created.

I don't foresee any major changes any time soon.
10-23-2013, 10:35
Bailey Guns

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Originally Posted by nynco

Bailey... heres a dream for you. I dream of a time when there is no attack on gun rights from either side. How will that happen by working to make gun rights a non partisan issue. By keeping it as a partisan issue then we will always be at risk of losing our rights.

I didn't make it a partisan issue. The democrats have made it a partisan issue. The democrats have placed increased gun control and bans on types of weapons as a central plank in their party platform. If you support democrats then you're a de-facto supporter of more and more gun control. It's really very simple.

Politics isn't about ideals or dreams. It's about winning elections. After you win elections you can start to put your ideals into motion...or law.

I'll just agree to disagree...this guy doesn't know what he's talking about and I found much of his essay to be full of holes and flowery-worded nonsense.
10-23-2013, 10:36
nynco

CStone please don't bring abortion into here. Keep it out of this please.
10-23-2013, 10:42
cstone

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Originally Posted by nynco

CStone please don't bring abortion into here. Keep it out of this please.

Why? Because it is a hot topic? So are gun rights.

My point is, people are free to make up their own minds and vote their own conscience. You dream of a day when gun rights will not be partisan? That is a pipe dream. Like every other political issue, you can remain ignorant, neutral, or pick a side. Fortunately for us, we do not have to pick a side on one issue and let that one issue define who we are as people.

I don't argue abortion. I see it as a self correcting issue. Those who support it will not be raising too many children to support it.
10-23-2013, 10:48
nynco

Fine you want to go down that rabbit hole.... I don't give a rats ass about anti abortion people because they are always the first people to try to kill the kids later either through starving them to death by ending welfare or food stamps or by working against universal healthcare that would give medicine to children. You want me to care about your fetus rights... well start giving a shit about living kids first.
10-23-2013, 10:52
blacklabel

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Originally Posted by nynco

Fine you want to go down that rabbit hole.... I don't give a rats ass about anti abortion people because they are always the first people to try to kill the kids later either through starving them to death by ending welfare or food stamps or by working against universal healthcare that would give medicine to children. You want me to care about your fetus rights... well start giving a shit about living kids first.

Well that went about as well as I expected it too.
10-23-2013, 10:54
Bailey Guns

Well...that's what happens when you try to debate with a liberal.
10-23-2013, 10:55
cstone

And thus your hyperbole is revealed. If someone disagrees with you about welfare, food stamps, healthcare, etc... you call them baby killers and accuse them of not giving a shit about living kids.

I don't want you to care about anything. You offered us a link to an interesting article. Your opinions about gun rights are noted. Your support of one issue certainly does not make you some special crossover breed of liberal/progressive who will bring peace to the gun rights debate.

Did someone tell you that you would someday unify the Sith and the Jedi through your specialness Anakin?
10-23-2013, 10:56
nynco

I did not derail this

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