Get in line, Register those guns and magazines

Nope

Not tongue in cheek at all.

You comply, or jonny law kills you should you object. Timmy needs a PS4. Sorry, its my job. Blah blah blah. Don't you worry your little head, a hot meal and shower is just around the bend...

Some will defend that practice - that voluntary act. They say that they are just like me and you, don't blame them, change the law, and that the cops have NO CHOICE and the rest of the rote excuses. The heroes on blue are doing it to keep you safe while you sleep. Respect them. Comply. Be a Law Abiding Citizen. The government is here to help! To keep all of you safe!

Sure. I'll get right on finishing that kool-aid.

I believe in fairy tales, don't you ?

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Originally Posted by merl

Then you get to fear every police interaction where an unregistered item is present.

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That is true. It is also not the fault of the person who refuses to register their guns

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Originally Posted by Jeffrey Lebowski

Merl, I'm not completely sure I'm following or 100% agree.

How often does this happen?

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Back when I was shooting on public land it was not uncommon for LE to drop by. Traffic stops do happen as well. Then we get into the See something Say something mentality, get along with all your neighbors?

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Originally Posted by Jeffrey Lebowski

Why? No ranges right now are checking what you bring and use for magazines to ensure they aren't post July 1 mags. Most would probably silently cheer you if they thought you were.

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Lets ignore the mags as that is rather difficult to enforce. Say you have a complete ban on semi-auto rifles, what range is going to let you use one? None will because they don't want to get shut down.
Thinking more about the registered serialized gun side of it as that is the easier side to verify with a nice little database every LE can access. Registering mags, well if you didn't register any and have some there might be trouble.

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Originally Posted by Jeffrey Lebowski

I guess by the time you need to use whatever it is in question, worry about laws and jail and court are a distant second in terms of immediate concern. [Dunno]

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Some truth to this but would you think twice about Biden's advice and opt for a good old side by side?

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Originally Posted by merl

Back when I was shooting on public land it was not uncommon for LE to drop by. Traffic stops do happen as well. Then we get into the See something Say something mentality, get along with all your neighbors?

Lets ignore the mags as that is rather difficult to enforce. Say you have a complete ban on semi-auto rifles, what range is going to let you use one? None will because they don't want to get shut down.
Thinking more about the registered serialized gun side of it as that is the easier side to verify with a nice little database every LE can access. Registering mags, well if you didn't register any and have some there might be trouble.

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Or, maybe our LE don't bother to enforce it like they don't with the magazines. Maybe I save my semi-autos to shoot in neighboring states. Maybe I'm LE (I'm not). Even California isn't at a complete ban on semi-autos, so, I don't want to go down that road just yet, but obviously tons of possibilities with all this. What if we must register but not ban? Is every range going to verify that? Or are cops doing spot checks? They are under as strained resources as anyone, so this may not be the bang for the buck that traffic stops are. Am I friendly with all my neighbors? Even if I'm not, how do they know what I may or may not own?

The traffic stop is a decent question as well. I had started to write about how I have had one full pat-down, on a traffic stop in NM after I offered that I had a CCW.
Since that time, I'm told we really shouldn't even offer this info anymore, but it has been too long since my original CCW when this was the common advice. (I'm due for a refresher in another year or two).

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Originally Posted by merl

Some truth to this but would you think twice about Biden's advice and opt for a good old side by side?

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Not walking around out and about. $0.02
At home? Maybe, but I don't own one at this time.

Canada's gun registry is a complete joke. Something like 1 in 6 guns in Canada are registered. I'd be surprised if the apathetic fools in the US get even half that many on the rolls.

http://www.forbes.com/sites/danielfi...s-and-gave-up/

I don't expect the abject failure of registration in other countries to slow the liberals down though...

Guns? What guns? I just come here for the social interaction.

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Originally Posted by Gman

Guns? What guns? I just come here for the social interaction.

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What he said.

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Originally Posted by TFOGGER

Canada's gun registry is a complete joke. Something like 1 in 6 guns in Canada are registered. I'd be surprised if the apathetic fools in the US get even half that many on the rolls.

http://www.forbes.com/sites/danielfi...s-and-gave-up/

I don't expect the abject failure of registration in other countries to slow the liberals down though...

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AND, we have SO many more guns than the Canadians do.

http://www.dailycamera.com/boulder-c...nd-checks-2013

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In the first 11 months of 2013, the Colorado Bureau of Investigation completed 354,880 background checks, compared to 335,940 for all of 2012, an increase of nearly 19,000 checks with December -- usually the busiest month for gun purchases in the U.S. -- still to go.

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How can you possibly track something like this?
That said, maybe the NSA will give it a go.

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Originally Posted by TFOGGER

Canada's gun registry is a complete joke. Something like 1 in 6 guns in Canada are registered. I'd be surprised if the apathetic fools in the US get even half that many on the rolls.

http://www.forbes.com/sites/danielfi...s-and-gave-up/

I don't expect the abject failure of registration in other countries to slow the liberals down though...

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Don't confuse the stated goal for the actual goal.

The real goal is to make all gun owners criminals and make a dent in the number of "force multipliers" on our side of the equation.

Registration schemes accomplish both. They are reinforcing the stigma associated with owning a black rifle and giving them to ability to justify extraordinary measures in dealing with non-compliance. Meanwhile, they get the fence-sitters to register and forfeit. Meaningful resistance will be "far right" and easy to marginalize. With strict penalties for possession/non-compliance, the Regime also gets to take out the strongest links in the opposition for non-crimes.

The folks who would join the resistance have another "mental block" in their way; if you wouldn't fight with a gun in hand, how could you ever find the courage to fight without one?

So from an objective perspective, a registry can be an abject failure, yet still accomplish the intended purpose for the Regime.

What keeps me up at night is these people have the smartest folks out there working for them using our tax dollars (which are taken from us and used against us). They know exactly what they are doing and even have good data on how we will respond. It's no accident that Bloomberg is very careful about where to spend his money.

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Originally Posted by ray1970

"if they want to just know where they are, that’s fine with me."

[facepalm]


I bet these guys just wanted to know where all the Jews lived.... I suppose some of them thought that was just fine too. At first.

http://d3819ii77zvwic.cloudfront.net...71013-nazi.jpg

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for your saftey we have nice camps for you to move into [Sarcasm2]

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Originally Posted by merl

Then we get into the See something Say something mentality, get along with all your neighbors?

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Or your parents.