Pocket Digital Camera Recommendations

Once upon a time, I got tired of taking really crappy pictures for my website, and bought a Canon DSLR. An entry level Rebel, circa 2006, to be exact. For the next five years, I went hog wild and spent thousands of dollars on L glass, plates, ball-heads, flashes, strobes, very fancy tripods, books, software, and eventually a new camera body (5D Mk II).

I took many awesome photos that looked very nice, but still life work (guns) aside, I began to notice myself becoming a bystander to my own family vacations and events. I was lugging around a ton of equipment, light metering everything, and spending scads of time setting up good shots instead of being part of them. So I decided to get something a little more user friendly and compact. I bought a Canon S90, which was a very expensive point and shoot at around $400. I used the hell out of it, and when I finally broke it irrepairably, I bought the S110.

These cameras are in a different league than a point and shoot or a cell phone camera. They take images in RAW, which opens up the entire gamut of post processing options. They have full manual control on the camera body, making it very quick and efficient to set the shots as I want them, rather than rely on the camera to make my choices. It fits in my shirt pocket and allows me to be part of the action. Not a lot of accessories, not a lot of things to set up. Several years in, and I haven't used my DSLR gear more than once or twice a year.

There are several makers who offer manual-on-the-body Point & Shoots. I just don't recall any other than the Canon S 95-120 series. But they are way more than a cell phone and do for me 90%+ of what my high end rig did, while allowing me to be making memories instead of just recording them.

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Originally Posted by Honey Badger282.8

Point and shoots are kind of useless in my opinion. They don't do much that a smart phone doesn't and they aren't good enough to use for serious photos.

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There are a number of "point & shoot" cameras that vastly exceed the output quality of even the best current phone. That said, it's often a case of results owing more to the indian than the arrow.

Bought a Coolpix 9700 last year. Excellent zoom capability. Poor flash placement. Specs are similar to the 9900 mentioned in previous post.

One thing I can't stand about point and shoot cameras is that there is no eyepiece to look through to get your sight picture. You have to use the screen on the back. I hate that and it is the reason I do not own one. So, anybody know of a compact point and shoot that you can look through with your eye, instead of looking at a screen. ? I have not looked for a while.

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Originally Posted by colorider

One thing I can't stand about point and shoot cameras is that there is no eyepiece to look through to get your sight picture. You have to use the screen on the back. I hate that and it is the reason I do not own one. So, anybody know of a compact point and shoot that you can look through with your eye, instead of looking at a screen. ? I have not looked for a while.

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Do a filter search on Digital Photography Reviews. I believe they have a setting to specify cameras with viewfinders. Companies have gotten away from viewfinders in most of the cheap compact consumer models because people have gotten used to using the preview screens instead -- and frankly, the preview screens are a better way to take them because you get a better feel for what the picture will actually look like.

Chevy!
Ford!

Budweiser!
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Nikon!
Canon!

Cell phone!
Real camera!

Pissing match any way ya look at it.

Myself personally, I prefer Nikon DSLR's. IMO, cell phones are for snapshots at best. I do have a small Nikon Coolpix pocket camera that I used for years, and was generally very happy with it. So I'd have to recommend looking at the Nikon offerings. But really, in this day and age, I'd wager that most any of them out there are good quality, and I'd certainly use most any pocket camera over a cell phone.

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the preview screens are a better way to take them because you get a better feel for what the picture will actually look like.

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Sorry, I'd argue about that. IMO they really suck in bright sunlight and very low light. Plus, you're not looking at/watching the subject and action, you're looking at/watching a stupid little screen. Not to mention your reaction time. Try shooting fast-moving action like sports/cars/bikes etc. with a DSLR vs. a preview screen, worlds of difference.

Pretty hard to get shots like this with a cell phone or a camera with a view screen.

http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b1...e/DSC_0094.jpg

rondog, I'm not trying to be elitist in this. The OP specifically asked for a pocket-size point-and-shoot and has specific applications in mind like taking shots at a campfire. I agree, my preferred medium is with my DSLR but there are times when the DSLR is impractical or unnecessary but I can do a better job with composition using a 3-inch (or even 2-inch) display that shows me exactly what the focal plane sensor is seeing than with a tiny viewfinder that has an offset angle. I even use a smartphone at times.

What I was arguing with was the presumption that point-and-shoots are useless because smartphones are "so good" these days. I have some gorgeous pictures using my smartphone:

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but that shot started with a LOT of light and was trying to get a full field. Putting a lens in front of your smartphone, even binoculars or a telescope, is good in a pinch but not really as good as these modern point-and-shoots. When I wanted to get detail of one of these balloons in front of Pikes Peak, I used my DSLR with a 400mm lens. My point is, each type of camera has its purpose and universal statements that dismiss point-and-shoots as not "good enough to justify the purchase of one if I already have a smartphone" are just wrong -- it depends on what the intended use is. Most smartphones will absolutely suck at campfire pictures (one use cited by the OP).

View screens simply are not an option for me. I hate using them and won't. An optical view finder is manditory. I will do some searching. i can't see the screens in daylight and can't follow a moving subject with them. I find them useful for a housewife taking pics for use on eBay, but not for my use. I currently use a canon dslr and like it. Just need something smaller I can take on motorcycle rides.

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Originally Posted by Aloha_Shooter

rondog, I'm not trying to be elitist in this. The OP specifically asked for a pocket-size point-and-shoot and has specific applications in mind like taking shots at a campfire. I agree, my preferred medium is with my DSLR but there are times when the DSLR is impractical or unnecessary but I can do a better job with composition using a 3-inch (or even 2-inch) display that shows me exactly what the focal plane sensor is seeing than with a tiny viewfinder that has an offset angle. I even use a smartphone at times.

What I was arguing with was the presumption that point-and-shoots are useless because smartphones are "so good" these days. I have some gorgeous pictures using my smartphone:

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but that shot started with a LOT of light and was trying to get a full field. Putting a lens in front of your smartphone, even binoculars or a telescope, is good in a pinch but not really as good as these modern point-and-shoots. When I wanted to get detail of one of these balloons in front of Pikes Peak, I used my DSLR with a 400mm lens. My point is, each type of camera has its purpose and universal statements that dismiss point-and-shoots as not "good enough to justify the purchase of one if I already have a smartphone" are just wrong -- it depends on what the intended use is. Most smartphones will absolutely suck at campfire pictures (one use cited by the OP).

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I see this as a reply to me, in that case I stand by my point. I already have an iPhone which does great for the vast majority of casual pictures I take. I have a mirrorless camera with the same CMOS sensor as an entry level DSLR that is just as small as some of the point-and-shoots. I also have a older Canon SLR that still takes really great photos.

What I don't like about point-and-shoots is that there is no expanding them, you're stuck with the lens that comes with it. I got a lot more capability with my mirrorless camera for less money than my ex spent on her point-and-shoot. The point-and-shoot has been relegated to a niche market, that's not to say it doesn't have it's uses but there are better options at the price point.