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Originally Posted by roberth
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FIFYQuote:
Originally Posted by roberth
I just posted this in another thread, but I will redo it here for education.. IANAL - but:
- Do the protestors have the ABILITY to kill or do serious bodily injury to yourself or another?
- Is someone in JEOPARDY of being killed or being seriously harmed by protestors?
- Do these protestors have the IMMEDIATE OPPORTUNITY, and power, to kill or seriously harm someone
All three need to be a resounding YES before you can even think about using lethal force. And again, can you CLEARLY articulate your rationale of those three things under intense pressure.
In the scenario above, you should also think about proportionality/disparity of force (e.g. you are in a 2000lb car and they have no defense). Would it be better to drive over a few vs. stopping and engaging multiple.
Reginald Denny slowed down and was stopped. Remember that, and remember he was in a vehicle which should have easily plowed through every single one of the folks who nearly killed him.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Attack_on_Reginald_Denny
An active riot is very different than a line of protesters blocking the highway, but while they are very different situations, the latter can transform into the former in a matter of minutes. I'd rather be stuck with a line of protesters on the highway than stuck in Inglewood, Ferguson, or Aurora during a riot.Quote:
Originally Posted by CavSct1983
Great advice here. Only disagreement is that a crowd of angry and murderous protesters are in a force disparity situation with someone in a vehicle. If you stop, you are just a monkey in a cage for the neighborhood kids to poke at, and just as helpless. If you don't stop, you are employing a VERY effective lethal force mechanism that may result in the death of others.Quote:
Originally Posted by asmo
That said, violent protesters actually attackign your vehicle combined with an inability to exit the area represent a lethal force threat to vehicle occupants.
http://www.activeresponsetraining.ne...n-your-vehicle
There are some materials on this subject, but not very many. Very few people are as legally compromised as someone trying to escape mob violence without being a government official. If you read the legal aftermath of the Reginald Denny case, it would be QUITE easy to say that even in 1993 a protester who beat you within an inch of your life and left you crippled had more legal protection than any person who might respond to being murdered with violence instead. I would have said we are less stupid than California in this matter, but we ARE Eastern California now.
Today it wouldn't surprise me if protesters could drive around with the dead corpses of the children of their politically unliked opponents and get only a hearty wrist slapping for it.
Well at that point, I'd draw and fire first. This will get many of the riff-raff to rethink their life choices.Quote:
Originally Posted by 00tec
This is why I said to try to make sure you're NOT running people over.Quote:
Originally Posted by CavSct1983
Remember your goal is escape, not a higher body count.
Also realize that it doesn't matter how right you are, you're going to get arrested and tried for this one so make sure you have a good lawyer and maybe get one of those personal liability insurance policies now.
If a pedestrian jay-walks into the street in front of your vehicle, and you hit him, you are more than likely to not be charged with anything.
What's the difference when a "protester" walks onto a highway?
Crosswalks in town may be problematic.
Hit your brights, lay on the horn, and floor it.
May consider peeing a little for later evidence of fear.
http://dailycaller.com/2016/10/11/an...un-over-video/
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iX0Qvk7YbnU
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The driver will likely have a ready defense for his actions. In the video a protester menacingly warns, “I’ll tear you out of that car, you little f*ck.” Another video from a different angle makes it clear that a protester attempted to open the truck door just moments before it took off.
Reno police chief Jason Soto said his department has identified the driver of the car, but is still reviewing evidence and has made no arrests. Soto also noted that the anti-Columbus Day protest didn’t have a permit and therefore was acting illegally by blocking the street.
I have a 2500 turbo diesel...protestors would be wise to find a different vehicle to block in and harass.
Its the clear fact that politically some protesters are the second coming of jesus and their beating and killing of certain folks is clearly sanctioned.
Excellent video here: http://conservativetribune.com/watch...testers-block/
One cop's advice here: http://www.motherjones.com/politics/...ter-protesters