Another try @ Green Mtn

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Originally Posted by Duman

Maybe if they put donut shops next to every gun shop..... [Coffee]

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I'll patrol for that!!

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Originally Posted by ChunkyMonkey

They have increased patrol and do hang out around the shop more often now. Hence why another attempt in Lakewood was stopped and 2 arrests were made.

IMHO, to ask agencies to stake out all of the gun store in Denver Metro without time frame or concrete intelligence is extremely expensive and wasteful - not to mention almost impossible. Most metro area PDs are going from call to call as is.

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Talking to the guys at the Gun Room, units were only dispatched that night to watch Green Mountain AFTER the failed attempt at the Gun Room.

I understand why local PD/Sheriff might not be able to handle all of the load, but given the importance and visibility of stopping these break-ins, it seems to me that some of the higher agencies could pull some of the duty (CBI, FBI, ATF).

I guess staking-out and busting massage parlors is higher on the priority list.

But massage parlors with happy endings!

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Originally Posted by .455_Hunter

Would it be completely out of line to ask why aren't LE agencies (including PD/Sheriff/CBI/ATF/FBI) doing stakeouts of local gun shops?

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Maybe they are. Maybe the criminals are biding their time and striking after the stakeouts go away.

How long do you suggest the taxpayers fund a stakeout of a private business absent a specific targeted timeline? A week? A month? A year? How many gun shops should they be staking out? How do you pick which ones?

If G = number of gun shops in the Denver area that should be staked out, we need 2 shifts a day, call it 3 shifts per week with at least 2 officers per stakeout. So shall we increase DPD manning by 6*G? I don't know what that will do to Denver resident taxes ...

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Originally Posted by Aloha_Shooter

Maybe they are. Maybe the criminals are biding their time and striking after the stakeouts go away.

How long do you suggest the taxpayers fund a stakeout of a private business absent a specific targeted timeline? A week? A month? A year? How many gun shops should they be staking out? How do you pick which ones?

If G = number of gun shops in the Denver area that should be staked out, we need 2 shifts a day, call it 3 shifts per week with at least 2 officers per stakeout. So shall we increase DPD manning by 6*G? I don't know what that will do to Denver resident taxes ...

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100% agree.

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Originally Posted by Aloha_Shooter

Maybe they are. Maybe the criminals are biding their time and striking after the stakeouts go away.

How long do you suggest the taxpayers fund a stakeout of a private business absent a specific targeted timeline? A week? A month? A year? How many gun shops should they be staking out? How do you pick which ones?

If G = number of gun shops in the Denver area that should be staked out, we need 2 shifts a day, call it 3 shifts per week with at least 2 officers per stakeout. So shall we increase DPD manning by 6*G? I don't know what that will do to Denver resident taxes ...

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Speaking to the owners of several shops that have been hit, no stakeouts have been occurring. I don't know if that is right or wrong.

Would a multi-agency task force be able to observe every shop every night? No, but they could at least provide some statistical chance of catching the perps in the act, especially given the frequency of these events.

Given your criteria, no stakeouts would ever occur because they could not be justified. I guess reactionary responses after the fact are superior to proactive planning.

I don't know much but if I were a shop owner, I'd probably buy some old cop car and make it look legit and leave it parked out front each night. Move it around each time so its like its moving. :shrugs:

How about some personal accountability by the owners? Instead of wanting LE to sit on their property for free, have the property owner hire a $10 an hour security guard? Maybe lock their inventory up at night?

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Originally Posted by OneGuy67

How about some personal accountability by the owners? Instead of wanting LE to sit on their property for free, have the property owner hire a $10 an hour security guard? Maybe lock their inventory up at night?

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Again, I agree 100%

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Originally Posted by OneGuy67

How about some personal accountability by the owners? Instead of wanting LE to sit on their property for free, have the property owner hire a $10 an hour security guard? Maybe lock their inventory up at night?

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I have not notice any shop owners commenting or asking for LE stakeouts. It's mostly been us forum members. So should we make a law that holds the shop owners personally accountable?