230 Years Ago Today, Sep 17, 1787...

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Originally Posted by Otterbatcat

The idea was great....but the result has been less than optimal.

Stuff would be different if any one of us was running the circus, the founders did not anticipate this shit show.

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I think that they did know and anticipate it, they wrote about it and told us what it would take to keep it. The enemies of freedom have been chipping away at it since then, lying about and revising history to match their narrative to destroy the USA and the freedoms we have in the name of equality for all except themselves, some being more equal than others.

I believe that is the reason they created and defined the second amendment, so that honest and free persons can maintain their freedoms from the evil that seeks to consume us all.

There's a quote in there, Triumph. Nicely worded.

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Originally Posted by Otterbatcat

...the founders did not anticipate this shit show.

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Jefferson did ... that's why he said he figured there'd need to be a revolution every 20 or so years.

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Originally Posted by Bailey Guns

Yeah. But a few remember what it means. If there are those who will never grasp the simple elegance and profundity of the words and intent of the Constitution, or who don't aspire to the ideals enshrined therein, then that's their loss and I find them contemptible.

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Hear! Hear! I agree.

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Originally Posted by Bailey Guns

Yeah. But a few remember what it means. If there are those who will never grasp the simple elegance and profundity of the words and intent of the Constitution, or who don't aspire to the ideals enshrined therein, then that's their loss and I find them contemptible.

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Bravo!
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Originally Posted by Otterbatcat

The idea was great....but the result has been less than optimal.

Stuff would be different if any one of us was running the circus, the founders did not anticipate this shit show.

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1. Results are always less than optimal but the results from the Founders' ideas have been (until recently) much better than I think they anticipated and certainly much better than it would have been with different ideas at the core of America's founding.
2. The problem with saying things would be different if one of us was running the circus is that the only way that would work would be through a benevolent dictatorship and dictatorships have a nasty tendency to evolve away from benevolence no matter how great the ideals at their start. Remember, Napoleonic France started off as a republic with the ideals of liberty and brotherhood.
3. The Founders most certainly anticipated this shit show which is why Franklin said we had a republic if we could keep it, Jefferson felt the Constitution would need rewriting every generation, and Madison and Hamilton exchanged ideas publicly through the Federalist Papers. It's not their fault that schools have stopped teaching civics or real American history.

Dammit, that literal stuff always bites ya in the ass.