DOJ / ATF moves on Bump Stocks = Machine Guns

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Originally Posted by crays

Total BS

So I guess they believe that once you pull the trigger that first time, you just have to hang on and wait until you are out of ammunition to cease firing? How F'n stupid are all these people?




And so now, law abiding citizens are force to forfeit/destroy legally acquired personal property, with no just compensation, at the whim of the gov?

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They aren’t stupid they know exactly that this is untrue.

The base problem is that the BATFE is allowed to interpret the law. Black letter law should be needed, with any new innovations or gray areas decided in the legislature, or the courts. They should not have the ability to legislate by administrative regulation, regardless of who is in charge or which party is in the White House.

Its dumb and I don't like it, but its a HELL of a lot better than the Feinstien bump stock ban that simply outlawed "any modification that increases rate of fire".

So if you buy the notion that no matter what, we were going to get "something", this is better than the alternatives. Still sucks and I still think Feinstien's bill could have been defeated.

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Originally Posted by TFOGGER

The base problem is that the BATFE is allowed to interpret the law.

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Agreed. But this goes far beyond just F-Troop. The truth is we're really no longer a Republic, we're an Administrative State overseen by a Judicial Oligarchy.

How did we get to this point where agencies within the Executive branch have the power to unilaterally write law? Congress doesn't have the authority to delegate its legislative powers.

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Originally Posted by Teufelhund

How did we get to this point where agencies within the Executive branch have the power to unilaterally write law? Congress doesn't have the authority to delegate its legislative powers.

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Since before the Civil War with the creation of various "departments" like State, War and The Interior.

I read the government language being implemented by fiat and have to come to terms that, again, this country dies a little bit more.

How in the hell are they going to know who purchased these pieces of plastic?

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Originally Posted by Gman

I read the government language being implemented by fiat and have to come to terms that, again, this country dies a little bit more.

How in the hell are they going to know who purchased these pieces of plastic?

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I guess they could subpoena all the sales records?

But I see people handing them over going about as well as it did in Denver when they banned them. [Coffee]

Some one with legal smarts explain how a finger rest becomes an auto sear.

Or how pulling forward on the stock doesn't actuate the pulling of the trigger.

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Originally Posted by CoGirl303

I guess they could subpoena all the sales records?

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It was an untracked accessory that could have been moved through God knows how many hands before going to a customer. I can even conceive of someone being able to buy one of those hunks of plastic from a foreign entity via the web.

http://youtu.be/47H6yZy6QWw

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Originally Posted by Gman

It was an untracked accessory that could have been moved through God knows how many hands before going to a customer. I can even conceive of someone being able to buy one of those hunks of plastic from a foreign entity via the web.

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agreed. what will they do when people start 3D printing them?