December 7th...

We beat the Japs, Russia beat the Nazi's.


Never forget.

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Originally Posted by CavSct1983

We are a nation borne of the defeat of an empire at the hands what, 3% of the total population in the 1770s?

Why on earth would we, established as we were by the 1940's, do anything but crush the ever living shit out of Japan?

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That's my point. It seems so obvious. So why didn't the Japanese leadership listen to Yamamoto?

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Originally Posted by Bailey Guns

That's my point. It seems so obvious. So why didn't the Japanese leadership listen to Yamamoto?

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It's a flaw of the Asian mentality.

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Originally Posted by BPTactical

We beat the Japs, Russia beat the Nazi's.


Never forget.

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Yeah...Russia beat the Nazis. In Russia. With a lot of help from Hitler himself. Frankly, I think Russia got lucky the German forces were under the micro-management of Hitler. If he had listened to his very capable military commanders things might have turned out differently. Why the fuck would you invade a country that's signed a non-aggression pact with your country? Especially when there were plenty of relatively easier pickings.

Many dont realize that about 80% of Germany's military resources were tied up in Russia.
Had the Paperhanger not gone after the Russkies and devoted those resources to holding western Europe it would have been an entirely different ETO.
And yes, if the war in Russia had been led by the generals instead of the paperhanger again, totally different scenario.

The Paperhanger was his own worst enemy.

History has always proven, don't get involved in military conflict in Russia where you may fight during winter. Didn't work very well for Napoleon either.

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Originally Posted by Bailey Guns

It's kind of ironic that one of the greatest and most victorious military attacks in history ultimately caused one of the most crushing and devastating defeats of a country and it's military in history.

“For a while we’ll have everything our own way, stretching out in every direction like an octopus spreading its tentacles. But it’ll last for a year and a half at the most.” Adm Yamamoto, Sep 1941

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Originally Posted by CavSct1983

We are a nation borne of the defeat of an empire at the hands what, 3% of the total population in the 1770s?

Why on earth would we, established as we were by the 1940's, do anything but crush the ever living shit out of Japan?

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Originally Posted by Bailey Guns

That's my point. It seems so obvious. So why didn't the Japanese leadership listen to Yamamoto?

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The Japanese leadership didn't listen to Yamamoto because America was far away and they had beaten their only previous opponents (Mongols, China, Russia, Korea) decisively in previous wars. They felt Japan had a destiny and Yamamoto was just a worrywart.

Yamamoto's predictions were based on the America of the 1930s, which he saw intimately while he was here on a foreign exchange tour. He saw an America that was an industrial powerhouse with still untapped reserves, where common people hunted frequently so gun use was common and proficient. Sadly, I don't think any of those conditions necessarily hold today and if the liberals have their way, the latter will definitely be negated.

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Originally Posted by CavSct1983

It's a flaw of the Asian mentality.

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The book Flyboys has an interesting back story on the pre-war rise of the pseudo-bushido I found enlightening.