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11-01-2010, 11:37
Hoosier

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Originally Posted by coloccw

Because it's not vengance we're after. Yes, war would be easier if we did those things mentioned before (I highly encourage them against known combatants), however, the blanket bombing of a civilization, regardless of how misled and off base, is criminally and morally wrong (by any religion). I agree that we should punish every single threat to our nation (preferably with lead injections to the head), but not everyone that doesn't like us. Our soldiers are professional warriors, not barbaric, self rightous idiots laying waste to everything. Yes, it is difficult seeing the atrocities that others to to us, but we are better people than that and do so by proving it with our character, composure, skill, and dedication on the battlefield. Any idiot can shoot a gun in combat, a warrior does so appropriately and with HONOR. There is no honor in what our enemy does, I agree 100%, but there is much honor gained from the professonalism our soldiers display in combat, and in reconstruction of those in need of help. Honor is expensive, and it's usually paid for in blood, but it is what separates us from them.

Much better stated than mine. And a boat load more diplomatic.

H.
11-01-2010, 11:40
StagLefty

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Originally Posted by Hoosier

[SIZE=7]WTF?
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If you're suggesting we just carpet bomb a random city, fuck you.

Where did that come from ? All I'm suggesting is that we pursue our enemies aggressively and not by opinion.
11-01-2010, 11:42
RARGUNS

I don't want to fight with anyone about this but there are a hell of a lot more than 10,000. Hezbollah probably has that many. I'm not in charge of anything, so I wouldn't be too worried about it happening. By your logic, what we did in Japan and Germany was mass murder. I don't feel that way. By winning a war though attrition is the only way it's ever been done successfully. Do I want woman and children to die, hell no!(or anybody else for that matter) But if it has to happen, I prefer it to be theirs and not ours.
11-01-2010, 11:46
BigBear

I'd be interested in the pyscological studies of how a people can turn on itself to oust the "terrorists" etc.

Would "capet bombing" and sustaining heavy civilian casulties make them want to oust the purporters or would it create a mindset of "us vs them" ultimately leading to more support for the terrorists... Interesting stuff in my view.
11-01-2010, 11:49
275RLTW

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Originally Posted by RARGUNS

wwpd (what would Patton do?)

Wars may be fought with weapons, but they are won by men. It is the spirit of the men who follow and of the man who leads that gains the victory.
-Patton (September 1933)
11-01-2010, 11:55
275RLTW

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Originally Posted by BigBear

I'd be interested in the pyscological studies of how a people can turn on itself to oust the "terrorists" etc.

Would "capet bombing" and sustaining heavy civilian casulties make them want to oust the purporters or would it create a mindset of "us vs them" ultimately leading to more support for the terrorists... Interesting stuff in my view.

The views of the "supporters" or most of the people in Afghan now got their opinion of the US from their elders, who were disgruntled from the end of the Soviet-Afghan war. We can not change their oppinion by becoming who they say we are, we have to show them that we are better men. This takes time and perserverence. We are basically telling them that their father & grand fateher were full of if and they need to trust us. Not an easy pill to swallow for them. Killing every hadji we see only confirms what they've been taught and creates another dedicated supporter for the Taliban. Once a legal combatant, GAME ON!
11-01-2010, 11:59
RARGUNS

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Originally Posted by BigBear

I'd be interested in the pyscological studies of how a people can turn on itself to oust the "terrorists" etc.

Would "capet bombing" and sustaining heavy civilian casulties make them want to oust the purporters or would it create a mindset of "us vs them" ultimately leading to more support for the terrorists... Interesting stuff in my view.

It worked pretty well in Italy where they were "liberated" LOL

Look, I don't claim to have the real answers. I was just venting a little. I do believe we should pursue them MUCH more aggressively and punish those that harbor our enemies. And instilling fear in an enemy is not terrorism all the time. In Vietnam some of the tanks played the middle part of Whole Lotta Love to instill fear. We carpet bombed Germany to instill fear. The psycops units were designed to instill fear.
11-01-2010, 12:04
BigBear

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Originally Posted by RARGUNS

It worked pretty well in Italy where they were "liberated" LOL

Look, I don't claim to have the real answers. I was just venting a little. I do believe we should pursue them MUCH more aggressively and punish those that harbor our enemies. And instilling fear in an enemy is not terrorism all the time. In Vietnam some of the tanks played the middle part of Whole Lotta Love to instill fear. We carpet bombed Germany to instill fear. The psycops units were designed to instill fear.

I hear you man, the thread was starting to get rough with people saying F you and etc gettin' all emotional, so I just thought I'd change it or steer in a different direction.

There are so many aspects of war that one person will never have the answer. One says "kill 'em all", the other says "show them love", and etc. We just need to find that happy median. I'm all for the "kill 'em all" approach when it comes to terror, but I know that classifying one particular ethincity as a terrorist is wrong as I've met some "Great Americans" who are one particular ethinicty and completely and loyally assilmilate to the American lifestyle and systems, etc. Anyways, enough rambling. Game on.
11-01-2010, 12:06
275RLTW

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11-01-2010, 12:07
BigBear

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Originally Posted by coloccw

The views of the "supporters" or most of the people in Afghan now got their opinion of the US from their elders, who were disgruntled from the end of the Soviet-Afghan war. We can not change their oppinion by becoming who they say we are, we have to show them that we are better men. This takes time and perserverence. We are basically telling them that their father & grand fateher were full of if and they need to trust us. Not an easy pill to swallow for them. Killing every hadji we see only confirms what they've been taught and creates another dedicated supporter for the Taliban. Once a legal combatant, GAME ON!

Do you think that trying to show them that we are better and then killing a family member or friend (legitimately) due to their terror connections makes them think of us as hypocrits? How do we get over that? That instills the hate for us. Once a wall like that is built, it's hard to tear down.

Also, who defines what the definition of "a better man" is? The American image of a man is everything they detest it seems.. For them, could it be who kills the most infidels, etc?... just some interesting thoughts to me.

Not trying to start anything, just interested in peoples thoughts.

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