Don't Bark at Police Dogs!

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Originally Posted by HBARleatherneck

here is the problem with an LEO dog.

LEO isnt supposed to search without a warrant but,

LEO dogs search without warrant. then they use the evidence against the person. seems like a violation of the 4th ammmendment to me.

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Dogs don't search w/o a warrant just because they can 'hit' on scents that are imperceptible to humans.. part of their nature.. just as seeing a bag of weed on a dash gives cop reasonable suspicion to search..smelling it gives the dog such.

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Originally Posted by Elhuero

so did this officer get charged with murder of a police officer?




how about these guys? they killed a cop.

http://www.ebaumsworld.com/video/watch/6310/


edited to add: http://www.nola.com/news/index.ssf/2...g_left_in.html <-- police dog dies after being left in hot car.



a dog is a dog.

if the dog is used by police to fight crime then it's a dog that's used by police to fight crime.

a dog is not a cop.

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then explain to me why my brother in laws dog has a badge and is listed as an officer on the PD website? Why my uncles dog in the Mass state Troopers has a badge and is listed as an officer? When I asked them they said the killing of a police dog or attacking a dog is considered assault on a police officer.

If you could explain it to me and where they are wrong I would greatly appreciate it..thanks.

joe

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Originally Posted by HBARleatherneck

here is the problem with an LEO dog.

LEO isnt supposed to search without a warrant but,

LEO dogs search without warrant. then they use the evidence against the person. seems like a violation of the 4th ammmendment to me.

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Well this isn't entirely true, there are tons of warrant-less searches.

I have no idea about the K9 portion but I am sure a big part of the arrest or detention had to do with the intoxication...

A great clue to intoxication, other than the odor, would be comments like, "He started it."

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Originally Posted by HBARleatherneck

im sorry, i didnt respond to the story. just my observation.

the courts have allowed a police dog to be a police officer and not a police officer, when it suits their needs.

a dog smells a controlled substance...not an officer.
obsruct a police dog... and its now an officer.

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I do see your point, but if I smell a controlled substance it can often be considered "Plain view, plain smell" and not require a warrant...

But I am not a dog handler so I don't spend a lot of time researching the dog rules

Here in Colorado, the state supreme court came out several years ago and stated officers in Colorado cannot run a dog on a vehicle for no reason. Can't do it because you're bored, can't do it because the driver is a jerk. There has to be some articulable reason to do so, and they are very specific as to what those reasons are.

Now, if the vehicle has been towed as part of an arrest, then I'm not sure on that. I've heard two different statements from the K9 officers on that situation.

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Originally Posted by HBARleatherneck

im not one of the antis on the site.

lets say a dog is trained to smell explosives. then he is at a roadside checkpoint and the officers run him by the car. if he alerts to a smell. they there is pc for a search. but, if a human officer cant smell the explosive, then it shouldnt be pc at least in my way of thinking. but the courts dont see it that way. officers are given tools by the legislature, i dont fault them for using them.

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It wouldn't work that way here in Colorado, based on my previous post.

Maybe some other state...I don't know.

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Originally Posted by Boostedxt

then explain to me why my brother in laws dog has a badge and is listed as an officer on the PD website? Why my uncles dog in the Mass state Troopers has a badge and is listed as an officer? When I asked them they said the killing of a police dog or attacking a dog is considered assault on a police officer.

If you could explain it to me and where they are wrong I would greatly appreciate it..thanks.

joe

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hey if your family wants to pin a badge on a dog and call him a fellow boy in blue, that's fine. but it doesn't make that dog a cop any more than dressing a dog up in a lion costume makes him king of the jungle.

the dog doesn't care. he does what he's trained to do, and does what he's told by his master.

are dogs owned by criminals less loyal because they know their owners are breaking the law?

k9 unit dogs are considered cops so that they can charge people with assaulting an officer in case they decide they'd rather kick it (or worse) than get bit.

can a police dog fight crime on its own? go out and make arrests, find criminals, conduct investigations, or write tickets?

no. without it's handler to control it a police dog is just a well trained dog.

does the dog have a pension? a salary? vacation time? medical and dental? if not the PD is violating labor laws by paying in kibble and belly rubs rather than money.

a police dog is a living, breathing tool for law enforcement.

police dogs are cops because the cops say they are, period.

the meaning of the badge comes from the people, not the animals.

just because someone paints an elephant pink, sprays it with glue, showers it with feathers and calls it flamingo doesn't make it so.

and it has been shown that police dogs can and are used to signal false positives to allow for (illegal) searches.

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Originally Posted by Elhuero

hey if your family wants to pin a badge on a dog and call him a fellow boy in blue, that's fine. but it doesn't make that dog a cop any more than dressing a dog up in a lion costume makes him king of the jungle. It is not my family. It is the departments they work for as K9 officers. I am sure the amount of money the department has to put into the dog to get it ready for its job has nothing to do with their decision.

the dog doesn't care. he does what he's trained to do, and does what he's told by his master.

are dogs owned by criminals less loyal because they know their owners are breaking the law?

k9 unit dogs are considered cops so that they can charge people with assaulting an officer in case they decide they'd rather kick it (or worse) than get bit.

can a police dog fight crime on its own? go out and make arrests, find criminals, conduct investigations, or write tickets? Look at the K9 unit as a partner. They offer back up and other skill sets the human officer doesn't possess.

no. without it's handler to control it a police dog is just a well trained dog.

does the dog have a pension? a salary? vacation time? medical and dental? if not the PD is violating labor laws by paying in kibble and belly rubs rather than money. The K9 unit does actually have some of that. All medical and dental, food, and gear for the K9 is paid for by the department. Kind of cool isn't it? The real kicker is the damn dog doesn't have to pay half of the cost! They get the whole thing covered! [Mad] ..........[LOL]

a police dog is a living, breathing tool for law enforcement.

police dogs are cops because the cops say they are, period. AR15's are assault rifles because the media says they are. People from New York are assholes because people from Boston say they are. What is your point?

the meaning of the badge comes from the people, not the animals.

just because someone paints an elephant pink, sprays it with glue, showers it with feathers and calls it flamingo doesn't make it so. Can we stop painting and dressing up animals?....please? :)

and it has been shown that police dogs can and are used to signal false positives to allow for (illegal) searches. And it has been shown that some priests are rapists of little boys, it has been shown that movie stars use drugs, it has been shown that the use of firearms assist people in killing. Every thing has its flaws.

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All I am saying is the meaning of the badge comes from the department as they put time and money into training the dog just like they do to humans. My brother in laws goes to training with his dog every 1 to 2 months. The dog does a specific job as do human police officers. The dog has a role in the department, therefore they are a contributing member of the department....hence the badge.

Joe
ps- your post, and past posts, sound like you just hate cops. Not sure if that's true, but that's what it sounds like.[Beer]