Ha we will/are all criminals to be in the eye of the government.
It is their job to make sure of that.
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Ha we will/are all criminals to be in the eye of the government.
It is their job to make sure of that.
There goes innocent until proven guilty- which they sure do a great job of treating you like that! /sarcasmQuote:
Originally Posted by Mtn.man
If I'm innocent until proven guilty then why put me in jail with guilty people? Why not make it a summons, you must show up to court on x date or we'll put a FTA warrant out on you.
In most cases they do. Even bonding out, most required are just signature bonds. Too much law and order...Quote:
Originally Posted by Ronin13
Also, your fingerprints for entering the military are for remains identification only. They cannot be used for law enforcement purposes, period. I know, I've tried to get them before. The JA and magistrate both shot me down.
I dunno if it's true, but one of the instructors at my CCW class (the fingerprint card guy for my Utah permit) said the a lot of guys doing masonry/concrete/stone work get their cards kicked back because the prints are essentially abraded off of their fingertips. So, tell your felon coworkers to get a real job doing masonry, work real hard for 20 or 30 years, and then they can be sorta sure that they won't leave any fingerprints at the crime scene... [LOL][ROFL1]
What about fingerprints taken during the immigration process? Do you know anything about those?Quote:
Originally Posted by SA Friday
Not for a TS-SCI Security Clearance... which is the reason I was printed initially, that goes to an FBI database and is stored on file with the DoD for 20 years. How I know? I worked in Security Clearances while in (a job that is, for the most part, starting to get out sourced to DA Civilians).Quote:
Originally Posted by SA Friday
For any clearance, the fingerprints are sent to the FBI for verification (checked against database for knowns) and then stored with the DoD. SAFriday is right; they are too difficult to obtain for LE purposes and speaking from experience, it is easier to obtain DMV fingerprints for analysis.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ronin13
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Originally Posted by jake
I do not know if they are just kept by ICE after verification with the FBI or stored as is in the FBI database. That is a good question I will have to ask the next time I meet with the FBI SAC I occasionally work with.
I think getting ahold of fingerprints for a CCW or other state taken FPs would be the easiest. I never tried for a set of those though. Getting a set of "blue card" finger prints federally taken for any purpose takes massive time and energy. Not saying you can't get them, but you better have an OJ Simpson case. Any prints taken by the military and not for criminal purposes are protected from being used from anything even remotely smelling like a fishing trip. The military does do some thing right, and some of their legal protections are way above and beyond civilian protections.Quote:
Originally Posted by OneGuy67
I suspect these prints would have a higher standard of protection from misuse just as any "blue card" fingerprints. The blue card prints are simply for verification of identity and/or confirming no criminal record. You can change y name and SSN, but even cutting off your fingerprints won't work. Thats why they do fingerprints for the sensitive jobs, security clearances, CCWs, etc. it's not to catalog you in AFIS.Quote:
Originally Posted by jake