The "Jobs" plan

Any job the government "creates" is paid for with money confiscated from the private sector.

This means that a private sector person is unable to create a job because the government has stolen the money.

This is as idiotic an sanfrannan and her "$1 of unemployment creates $1.50" statement.

Government does not create anything except for more government. Just about everything the government does could be done better with less cost in the private sector.

I can't wait until this jackass is out of office.

The government cannot create jobs...

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Originally Posted by Mtn.man

And what little sneaky things are riding along with this bill???

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Precisely.

Great point Roberth: .gov "jobs" are just funds shifted. No real money earned.

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Originally Posted by Tor Larson

[Buffet] says the guys secretary pays more in taxes- false. Buffet doesn't collect a salary so his gains are taxed at a lower rate.

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It's Warren Buffet who says his secretary pays a higher percentage of her income in taxes than he does. It's precisely because Buffet is so rich and has so much money in the market that all of his profit is in the form of long term capital gains, which is taxed at a flat 15%.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Capital..._United_States

In real absolute terms Warren assuredly writes a larger check to the Treasury each year, his point is that as a portion of his take home pay, he has to give up a smaller percentage to uncle sam than does people who make normal wages and pay payroll taxes.

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/mon...cle1996735.ece

Facts are for fun.

H.

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Originally Posted by Rooskibar03

The entire thing was a joke. “Pass this bill now” 17 f’ing times? Seriously? We haven’t even seen the bill (not that it matters) “It will be paid for” BULL Shite.

Convenient how this “credible threat to NYC and Washington came out 1 hour before his speech and that was all the left was talking about afterwards.

The thing that boils my blood more then anything was GE CEO Jeffrey Immelt sitting in the box next to that amazon Michelle. The guy is supposed to be our job czar and just got done sending jobs in the new xRay division to China. He is sitting on billions in foreign assets to avoid having to pay US taxes on and he is the guy who is advising on jobs in the country?

Try they all for treason.

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+1..I was wondering if anoyone else saw that. The F$!$&$! media should be all over that POS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!....................[Bang]

Party On Wayne

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Originally Posted by Mobat555

It cracks me up that anyone expects the government to effect the economy in a significant manor. I don't care if its Obama, Bush, Clinton, or Reagan. When it comes down to it our country has a crappy economy because in the past 30 years companies found much cheaper ways to manufacture other places in the world. If we don't "make" anything here then how can we expect to employee people? You want to shoot some blame it has more to do with company's valuing their profit margin over any type of patriotism to this country.

The government can give them tax breaks and they will horde more money, then can attempt to increase taxes on the rich and they will just leave the country. Please enlighten me as to something the GOV can do to effect this?

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1. Governments have a huge impact on economies.
2. How is it unpatriotic to move a business overseas if it's cheaper?
3. What business of yours is it what businesses do with their money?
4. What's wrong with leaving a country if the government of said country takes what you believe to be too much of your money?

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Originally Posted by Byte Stryke

until we penalize companies for moving jobs outside of the country we will continue to go broke.

if you can make doodad here for $5 but choose to make offshore at 1$ we need to charge an extra $4 tarrif to remove the lure to move the job of making the doodad offshore.


argue/discuss/debate

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Why does it cost $5 to make a widget here and only $1 to make it somewhere else?

Instead of penalizing businesses (which is why our economy sucks in the first place) we should incentivize them to stay here in the first place.

Get the government out of business, and unleash the free market.

1. Governments have a huge impact on economies.
Agreed
2. How is it unpatriotic to move a business overseas if it's cheaper?
You expect U.S. government bailouts, U.S. government protections with no sense of obligation to the same.

3. What business of yours is it what businesses do with their money?
None, But if they are going to fold, crash and die... they shouldn't ask for mine.

4. What's wrong with leaving a country if the government of said country takes what you believe to be too much of your money?
If you are going to leave, leave completely. Renounce citizenship and GTFO.

capitalism isn't about win or you lose... if the company fucks up great, FAIL and Die.
Don't sit there telling me you are taking Jobs from Americans and move shit overseas but then expect free trade to bring the crap here and when it won't sell expect those same Americans to bail you out.

Kinda like your wife fucking your best friend and asking you to wash the sheets afterwards.
not happening.

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Originally Posted by Sharpienads

Why does it cost $5 to make a widget here and only $1 to make it somewhere else?

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Umm we don't believe in child labor sweat shops?