SHTF/Camping Perimeter security?

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Originally Posted by rbeau30

Anyone have these?

"12 Gauge Perimeter Alarm System"

http://www.americanspecialtyammo.com/Gadgets.html

Might be useful to have a few in the supplies.

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As has been said in current times these are illegal. In other times there may not be anyone around to worry about.

And you can build your own with a piece of 2X4 and a mouse/rat trap.[Flower]

Just as effective and legal.

http://www.protectmefirst.com/produc...14554_zoom.jpg

Product Description

The MINI TRAVEL ALARM with PIR SENSOR is an effective low cost motion alarm that can be used to effectively to deter an assailant. It can be activated by just pulling the alarm cord located at the top of the unit or can detect motion up to 9 feet away. Emits a loud 15 second, 100dB blast making an impending criminal cower and run. Just slide the cover down exposing the infrared sensor and the off/auto switch. Turn the switch to auto, and the sensor will start detecting motion in 60 seconds. Contains an LED flashlight, and its convienent size makes it perfect for concealing and traveling. Uses three AG13 batteries (included).





http://www.protectmefirst.com/produc...IR-Sensor.html

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Originally Posted by Badger

Seems there's always some genius "Google warrior" in every group. Remember kids, its all fun and games until someone searches only ONE source of information and ruins it for everyone else based on a single point of limited content. [Help]


Look up a little research on "explosion" and tell us again how this is illegal. Inquiring minds want to know.....




Badger

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I ran a UXO training school and I'm an explosives instructor for Le/.mil What do you want to know about explosions? Perhaps you should do some reaserch before running your mouth.

Agreed illegal. Question though, if a shotgun shell can be defined as an explosive wouldn't that make all ammo an ATF destructive device?

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Originally Posted by flan7211

Agreed illegal. Question though, if a shotgun shell can be defined as an explosive wouldn't that make all ammo an ATF destructive device?

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Does not meet the Net Explosive Weight requirements for DD

Nice to know! Exactly why I keep you fellas around. Keeps me out of trouble! :-)

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Originally Posted by coloccw

illegal to use.

18-12-106. Prohibited use of weapons



(1) A person commits a class 2 misdemeanor if:

(a) He knowingly and unlawfully aims a firearm at another person; or

(b) Recklessly or with criminal negligence he discharges a firearm or shoots a bow and arrow; or

(c) He knowingly sets a loaded gun, trap, or device designed to cause an explosion upon being tripped or approached, and leaves it unattended by a competent person immediately present; or

(d) The person has in his or her possession a firearm while the person is under the influence of intoxicating liquor or of a controlled substance, as defined in section 12-22-303 (7), C.R.S. Possession of a permit issued under section 18-12-105.1, as it existed prior to its repeal, or possession of a permit or a temporary emergency permit issued pursuant to part 2 of this article is no defense to a violation of this subsection (1).

(e) He knowingly aims, swings, or throws a throwing star or nunchaku as defined in this paragraph (e) at another person, or he knowingly possesses a throwing star or nunchaku in a public place except for the purpose of presenting an authorized public demonstration or exhibition or pursuant to instruction in conjunction with an organized school or class. When transporting throwing stars or nunchaku for a public demonstration or exhibition or for a school or class, they shall be transported in a closed, nonaccessible container. For purposes of this paragraph (e), "nunchaku" means an instrument consisting of two sticks, clubs, bars, or rods to be used as handles, connected by a rope, cord, wire, or chain, which is in the design of a weapon used in connection with the practice of a system of self-defense, and "throwing star" means a disk having sharp radiating points or any disk-shaped bladed object which is hand-held and thrown and which is in the design of a weapon used in connection with the practice of a system of self-defense.

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Pull string fireworks are available in the grocery store year round. popits can be spread out in hallways and when the zombies step on them you'll know.

Since these are illegal, I am not doubting if they are, why isn't the alphabet stooges or CBI going after the sellers or manufacturers of these ?
Is it easier because they are lazy ? And that it is easier to prosecute the little guy end user ?
Or are these another one of those catch 22 items where they a legal to own, but illegal to use items ?
Can someone with good authority or legal experience explain this to us unwashed masses ?

The statute has language about leaving them out and unattended. I haven't seen anything about possessing or manufacturing them as being illegal.

If we get to the point of total anarchy and real SHTF, why stop at a pop-it or small flash bang. FRONT TOWARD ENEMY should do the trick. Since we are going that far, we are talking about lots of det cord, automatic weapons and armored vehicles aren't we? [Flower]

Be safe.

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Originally Posted by SideShow Bob

Since these are illegal, I am not doubting if they are, why isn't the alphabet stooges or CBI going after the sellers or manufacturers of these ?
Is it easier because they are lazy ? And that it is easier to prosecute the little guy end user ?
Or are these another one of those catch 22 items where they a legal to own, but illegal to use items ?
Can someone with good authority or legal experience explain this to us unwashed masses ?

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State law, not federal. Just like the prohibitation against the claymore mine hitch covers here in Colorado.