Not everyone has what it takes to own their own company. Employees will never understand this.Quote:
Originally Posted by Teufelhund
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Not everyone has what it takes to own their own company. Employees will never understand this.Quote:
Originally Posted by Teufelhund
As an employer, when Obamacare went through I let all 5 guys working for me go. I cannot and will not pay the insurance costs that are coming down the pipe. I prefer to work alone and use contractors for everything rather than have even a single employee.
I wrote a lot out, but fuck it- bottom line is if you have a job, YOU VOLUNTEERED AND AGREED to the salary etc. and knew what you were getting into. Why is it so many people think their company- the rich fat bastards enjoying the fruits of their success and the rewards of taking the risk to go into business- are screwing them when YOU AGREED TO THE TERMS WHEN HIRED!!!! Why is there are so many employees now who think they "deserve" more when they agreed to do X work for X dollars or chickens or car parts or hookers per week, month, whatever? What happened to being grateful you have a job, doing the best you can at it, taking pride in your work and having a little loyalty to the company that provides you with the opportunity? What happened to "company men"?
Obviously never invested in a business of your own?Quote:
Originally Posted by Ridge
I have multiple ventures at the moment - and I agree with this guy. In one case, we will be forced to fire everyone and rehire them as independent contractors.
Many folks don't get it, as business owners, we try to project income/spending as far ahead as possible. If there is an impending risk that is beyond our control, we may decided to pull the plug early to save our investment.
If the business owner is set for life, why would he risk his money to maintain 'jobs' for you while taking all the risk??? Once the risk hit hit the point to outweigh the growth potential, most would rather pull their money and reinvest it else where.
Oh yes we do understand this. Some people just do not want that hassle, especially if there are employees involved.Quote:
Not everyone has what it takes to own their own company. Employees will never understand this.
What happened is the lack of any return for loyalty. Being on the lookout for another job that pays better, is closer, is better in some way is smart. In the same way it is smart for the employer to think through 'well I can hire 3 chinese for the cost of 1 engineer here' and poof there goes your job.Quote:
What happened to being grateful you have a job, doing the best you can at it, taking pride in your work and having a little loyalty to the company that provides you with the opportunity? What happened to "company men"?
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Originally Posted by merl
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No return for loyalty? You get a paycheck when its time to get paid right? Theres your return. You honored your agreement and the employer honored his. Now if for some reason everytime your employer hears about you its that your supervisor saw you on jobs.com.net.tv, or that you had three or four opportunities to pitch in a little extra time, maybe work on something at home or come in on a Saturday, and you didnt and it cost the company time and money, or that owner observes you being consistently (I say consistently because everyone has off days) moody or unhappy and you do and say nothing to explain or improve, then obviously no bonus for you.
HOWEVER, most employers do have bonus plans and every employer I know of would welcome and support actual bonus plan to reward employees for putting in extra effort. What NONE will support is a bonus plan for just doing your damned job. And why should they?
EDIT- My wife is considering several job opportunities in Hong Kong, where she can make a fair amount more money than she does here. However, a TYPICAL workday over there for a manager or even junior executive is 12 to 14 hours. They get work done. She has worked over there before with a previous employer and while the pace is to her I think exciting for the first week, by the second week she was not thrilled about it. However thats just normal doing business. AND these are the executives, you know, the "fat bastards" cruising around in thier limos and partying all night.
You obviously have no clue- the executives and owners NEVER STOP WORKING. Yeah they might be at home, but they are still working on this project or that proposal or setting up this meeting. I leave my shop and spend another three hours usually on the computer doing billing, research, etc. It never ends. There is no overtime, there may not even be an office party at the end of a long project, but its work and it has to get done for the company to succeed. Silly I know, to work that hard to ensure the employees have jobs.
An hourly employee on the other hand finishes their 8 hour shift with an hour lunch and two GOVERNMENT MANDATED 30 minute breaks, clocks out, and goes home to sit on thier couch and complain about how bad they have it because they have to work 8 hours a day for shitty pay for those fat bastards living it up with all their money.
Who, exactly, needs a reality check?
No doubt! Why bother risking my retirement on guys who will leave you once better opportunities arise? You pay the good guys in order for your business to compete in the market - Nothing else. Noone in his/her right mind is in the for profit business only for the good sake of hiring others. Your time and sweat earns the bucks.Quote:
Originally Posted by merl
That's exactly the point. You can't be thankful for a job you don't have because some fat bastard couldn't bear to not put a new elevator in his mansion.Quote:
Originally Posted by dwalker460
I have a tendency to let my anger force hyperbole in my posts; I need to try to hold that back until I've calmed. Let me rephrase with less emotion: I don't think he should be required, by any means, to retain his workers. I think he displays enormous lack of character to collect a lavish salary from his company's coffers, the state of which, he implies, will force him to lay people off if his taxes increase. If he has the means to keep his company in the black and not lay anyone off, good ethics would suggest he should. If he would prefer to put people out of work in order to maintain his own salary, while that is his prerogative, it displays a lack of moral fiber.
I think a good leader is one who is willing to put his subordinates before himself. The opposite seems to be true in order to be financially successful.
^^ fantasy. If you were in his position, you will maintain your style of living, your gun collection, or happiness of your children over your employees. [Weight]
I think you and your family can continue to be happy without getting a marble encrusted biggest house currently being built in the nation.Quote:
Originally Posted by ChunkyMonkey
I blame the unions for sure.