Noveske "fake"

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Originally Posted by bimmer

Well I did state in my thread that it is a built lower with a blem lower. And the buyer also knew that before hand. It's still all noveske parts except the trigger parts kit

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And the PSA buffer. [Coffee]

Well, if the potential buyer knew all of the details going in and you hadn't misrepresented it to him then I would say he backed out on the deal.

That being said, I never count on a buyer sticking to a deal until he has had the chance to inspect my item in person and make sure everything is as he expected.

Hopefully you didn't waste too much time or gas trying to make the deal. If it makes you feel better, I once drove up to Loveland to buy a 12 ga. only to get there and find out it had been accidentally misrepresented and was actually a 20 ga. I would have been less upset if I hadn't driven that far in my 3/4 ton truck at 12 miles per gallon.

Haha. Yeah I understand. We also had a phone convo, and I explained exactly what it was. He wasn't a jerk about it by any means, and said the wobble didn't bother him, other than a noveske wouldnt wobble like that if both the lower and upper were in fact noveske. And to answer the poster above ray, yes. It was a cross on the upper itself also, and it is not a chainsaw or second marked upper. Ill post pics when I'm off work.

The upper and lower probably would fit a little nicer if it was a factory rifle. I imagine they probably hand select the receivers for a nice fit when they build a factory Noveske rifle.

I didn't know what a chainsaw lower was till now. I was thinking Gears of War weapon.
Thanks for the lesson Ray

50-80% of most factory assembled AR's have some "wobble" I've had NIB unfired AR's that closed on No Go Guages! No big deal to me. Was the potential buyer entering it in a beauty contest??

Holy Shitte good thing i read this whole thread twice. MY LMT Has WOBBLE. @#$%^&#$%^& what the hell am i going to do now??

I have two Noveske rifles. One is factory. One is a build. Both wobble a little. In the olden days, you could tell a factory gun from a build gun by looking for the cross stamped between the upper and lower joint. Don't know if that is still true, but there you go.

For a little while, if you asked John very nicely, he'd pin just about anything you wanted, or provide you with a custom barrel profile. I doubt he's doing much in the way of that anymore. However, plenty of people bought Noveske uppers and then took them to folks to do a pin and weld. So the flash suppressor in and of itself tells you nothing.

I doubt anyone is going to go through the effort of laser-ing or roll-marking a generic upper to make a Noveske knock-off. I just can't see the margins in it.

Worst case scenario, you have a Noveske lower, a Noveske upper (possibly), and a Noveske barrel. Not a Noveske gun, per se, but close to it. I'd call it a build gun, list the parts, and run with that.

I was the potential buyer and chose not to purchase the rifle after I inspected it. A few of you commenting on my reason is pure speculation.

I have built a few Noveske's from uppers and lowers purchased from different vendors at different times of manufacture. All builds were A+ fitment. The concern was with quality manufactured parts from Noveske you should have little to no movement of their uppers and lowers. So this leads me to "wonder" if one of the two parts are not Noveske or QC compliant. Remember he is posting a Noveske parts build.

I have other name brand AR's that are loose in the upper lower fit and it makes no difference on reliability or accuracy in the guns for my type of use. So this is not an issue or the reason for declining to purchase the AR.

The comment about the pinned Yankee hill comp was referring to his comment that it was a complete upper assembled at Noveske. That's what he was told. I said it was not installed at Noveske because the crush washer was literally crushed and bulging out of the barrel / comp matting surface in two locations with multiple wrench marks gouged on the flats. This is not the work of Noveske so that covers the YHM part of the post.

I drove about an hour to meet Alex close to his house so I did not cause any unreasonable expenses for him to allow me to see the item I was to pay $1,100 for. Alex was very polite and I have no problem doing business with him in the future.

So to sum it all up I went with my gut feeling and respectfully declined. This is how buying used items works in my world and I hope I didn't upset the ar-15 forum.

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Originally Posted by Blowby

I was the potential buyer and chose not to purchase the rifle after I inspected it. A few of you commenting on my reason is pure speculation.

I have built a few Noveske's from uppers and lowers purchased from different vendors at different times of manufacture. All builds were A+ fitment. The concern was with quality manufactured parts from Noveske you should have little to no movement of their uppers and lowers. So this leads me to "wonder" if one of the two parts are not Noveske or QC compliant. Remember he is posting a Noveske parts build.

I have other name brand AR's that are loose in the upper lower fit and it makes no difference on reliability or accuracy in the guns for my type of use. So this is not an issue or the reason for declining to purchase the AR.

The comment about the pinned Yankee hill comp was referring to his comment that it was a complete upper assembled at Noveske. That's what he was told. I said it was not installed at Noveske because the crush washer was literally crushed and bulging out of the barrel / comp matting surface in two locations with multiple wrench marks gouged on the flats. This is not the work of Noveske so that covers the YHM part of the post.

I drove about an hour to meet Alex close to his house so I did not cause any unreasonable expenses for him to allow me to see the item I was to pay $1,100 for. Alex was very polite and I have no problem doing business with him in the future.

So to sum it all up I went with my gut feeling and respectfully declined. This is how buying used items works in my world and I hope I didn't upset the ar-15 forum.

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I have no gripes about you wanting to inspect an item before buying it. This post came across to me more about concerns with what the seller actually had for sale.

No hard feelings on my part. I would expect you to look at anything I was selling you before you made a firm commitment. [Beer]

I am sure a quick call to Noveske might answer a lot of these questions. They stand behind their chainsaw lowers even as blems. I just put together a chainsaw lower, PSA LPK, and a DTI complete upper. I do have very little if any movement between the two. Same goes from my RRA lower and DTI upper.

Seems like Bimmer's real question is: Could my Noveske upper be fake?

It sounds like both he and the prospective buyer approached this transaction in good faith and a reasonable decision was made by the prospective buyer (at no cost to the seller). I'm interested to see the pics and hear from knowledgeable members if they think the upper is legit.