"You are coloring outside Constitutional parameters"

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Originally Posted by Ridge

They're going to use that last bit against him, arguing that public safety is paramount. And it'll work. People nowadays don't want liberty. They want to be able to do things without risk; even risky things.

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There it is, liberty also includes responsibility for yourself. No one wants that. Too many would rather get money from others for no work and feel safe than be free and have the inherent risk that comes with existence.

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Originally Posted by Dave

There it is, liberty also includes responsibility for yourself. No one wants that. Too many would rather get money from others for no work and feel safe than be free and have the inherent risk that comes with existence.

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And so dies the Republic. If only all this had been done before so we could know how it ends. . .
"In the end more than they wanted freedom, they wanted security. When the Athenians finally wanted not to give to society but for society to give to them, when the freedom they wished for was freedom from responsibility, then Athens ceased to be free."-Edward Gibbon (1737-1794)

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Originally Posted by Ridge

They're going to use that last bit against him, arguing that public safety is paramount. And it'll work. People nowadays don't want liberty. They want to be able to do things without risk; even risky things.

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So very true. The US is really idealogically split between those who value most essential liberty vs those who value security, even if the security is elusive and ultimately can't be guaranteed. I'm really not sure that can or will ever be reconciled - which leads to the US being fractured along those lines. Idealogically, we are already very fractured. The question I have is if this will somehow result in some sort of geographic or national split?