Keep in mind that it still weighs 240lbs as water weighs about 8lbs per gallon. Now that I think about it, I was able to lift my blue barrel, so it must only be a 15 gallon one.
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Keep in mind that it still weighs 240lbs as water weighs about 8lbs per gallon. Now that I think about it, I was able to lift my blue barrel, so it must only be a 15 gallon one.
Your survival priorities need to be based around the rules.
The rule of 3
3 minutes without air
3 hours of exposure to severe elements
3 days without water
3 weeks without food
3 months without hope
Starting from the top, learn CPR (and general first aid like TCCC). Get a gas mask or atleast a box of n95 masks. Before your worry about shelter.
learn how to dress appropriately, carry spares, learn how to build a shelter, learn how to fix your bug in location (boarding windows, patching roofs etc), building a fire for heat. Before you worry about water
Now we get to water;
The average house has a 50 gallon water heater, you can get the water out of there, you can also drain your pipes, salvage from the toilet tank, all of that is clean water. Your p-traps and drains can be salvaged and filtered. You can also save your urine and distill it.
You can add storage. Barrels can be located in basements since they fit down stairwells, you can stack them in a corner of the basement if you have one. They're round so you have some space loss. The barrel pump HBar pictured works pretty good, jiggle siphons also work in more applications than the pump, but you have to be lower than the water level. http://www.amazon.com/Super-Siphon-H...=jiggle+siphon
You can get totes that are 275ish gallons but they're 4'ish cubed, you can stack them and they have valves. Water can be stashed in small containers, you also can take it with you to bug out if necessary, it's readily available for immediate use, also works as handouts for charity if needed.
http://www.waterbrick.org/
Water BOB's http://www.waterbob.com and similar setups can be used if you have warning, along with every pot and tupperware you have.
You can get spas and pools but the water must be treated. Also if the authorities aren't involved you can set up a rain and water catchment to supplement but you need to have treatment on hand.
15gallon
http://www.coloradotankandbarrel.com...9b113e1cbbe74b
55 gallon
http://www.coloradotankandbarrel.com...9b113e1cbbe74b
sanitizing
http://www.coloradotankandbarrel.com...9b113e1cbbe74b
http://www.coloradotankandbarrel.com...9b113e1cbbe74b
You do not need to rotate water, city water is already treated with chlorine so you don't need to add chlorine if you store it.
The barrels are durable enough that freezing isn't much of a concern. Small containers will leak if they get frozen.
I'm "IN" Buggin that is. I'm a gated community of one and I mean to keep it that way if I can help it. Thats my 1st option. Check list covered for the most part. 2nd option bugg out, if I have to.
water barrels, larger 12-50gal, (forum member if I recall, links to specifics listed in post several up) - http://www.coloradotankandbarrel.com
Scepter military water cans (cheapest place I've found) - http://techsupplyinc.com/pages/products.php?cid=6
Stainless beer kegs they stack hold 15 gallons of water use the hand pumps that you get to pour beer and you can boil sanitize them
Arizona tea jugs from walmart. 1/8 inch thick polypropylene, very strong. I have many filled and sitting around.
http://ravelingroup.com/wordpress1/w...-gal-water.jpg
Me too. Well, not that many, about as many as are in the picture.Quote:
Originally Posted by gnihcraes
After getting on this site with like minded people and me actually getting a clue. I will be bugging in as long as I can. At first I was thought bugging out would be easier but the question became clear "where would I go?"
The fiancée's family is in Littleton and mine is in grand junction. So the first option of going to her parents house is kinda out unless mine is un-reach-able or destroyed . But I can see it being the other way will be the more likely scenerio, if the roaming gangs start, they would hit them first cause of were they live and I'm kinda in the middle of no where. Criminals are opportunistic and lazy, they'll almost always go after the easy target first.
Going to my parents would be treacherous just by the distance and geographic challenges from here to there and it might be even worse depending on route, how the smaller towns react to an end of the world scenerio, and the weather.
Today kinda shows that if you have to bug out you have to be prepared for damn near everything possible within reason year round. For example: If for some reason I had to bug out on sunday 75 and head to my parents house it's roughly a 5 day walk according to google, I would have been caught in the high country in snow and really low temps. Regardless if it only lasts a day or two. You can only survive 3 hours in extreme temperaures without protection or shelter.
Just that last part alone is what made me focus on bugging in more rather then bugging out.
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the board member who owned it moved. not sure who runs it now. If anyone goes there pm or em me before hand.Quote:
Originally Posted by hatidua
What is the difference between the $33 MWC and the $13 "military style" water can?Quote:
Originally Posted by hatidua
Density of the plastic. Lid. Durability in general. Spend the money
Not to open a can of worms, but if you have the water storage barrels and you set them up to collect rain water, is it really illegal in co? I keep finding different answers. Or is it one of thoose things most code enforcement ignore until they can find something bigger on you?
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Having a few barrels, remember you can set them up tierd to catch water when WROL kicks in. Not like the water court's comin for you TEOTWAWKI.
http://www.ar-15.co/showthread.php?t=101281Quote:
Originally Posted by jonny450r
Thanks! Now on with the regular schedule discussion.Quote:
Originally Posted by kidicarus13
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What exactly do you mean by this?Quote:
Originally Posted by Goodburbon
Quote:
Originally Posted by HoneyBadger
Ever see where they stack champagne glasses like a pyramid and fill them all by only pouring into thetp One?
Ahhhhh i see. I was trying to picture some really elaborate collection system. [Bang]Quote:
Originally Posted by Irving
GREAT info, all! I can see where any 'spare' money will be going this summer.
Does anyone have any decently-priced sites for safety doors for patios?
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Originally Posted by hatidua
Good peeps up there. I've got 200 gallons worth of various barrels from them. That along with 15 or so cases fom Costco, WaterBob, and a Berky filter for the nearby pond, I feel pretty good about my water situation.
That sounds good. Unless you let a marine anywhere near it. Then you might need stronger hinges. Those fuckers can break anything.Quote:
Originally Posted by HBARleatherneck
Where in the name of God do you find 3" thick AR500??? Where can I get some?
(Can't imagine how much that would weigh... lol)
I have 4 sheets of it, behind our blast doors. You southern guys are way behind the curve.Quote:
Originally Posted by HoneyBadger
Apparantly...Quote:
Originally Posted by jim
How much does a door-sized sheet of AR500 cost? Where should someone look if they were interesting in buying some?
If you were interested i'd call around your area to metal dist and or manufactures / fabricators.. if no luck there's always banks / AAtargets in the industry partners sect.Quote:
Originally Posted by HoneyBadger
Aa targets. Industry partner can do a custom sized ar500 plate I'd bet.
1/2" would be manageable by 2 guys.
Hah! Marines (or any of our military folks) come in through the front door. :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Wulf202
I'd think a 3" AR500 steel and conrete door would be a bit much for our deck. That would be the strongest part of the house....
Nope, we have everything we need, (and many things we probably won't) right here. Sure we can venture off into the wilderness though and live just cozy there too, been there done that. Probably not ideal for some but wife and I love it and live it. Fortunately have a group of like minded friends with similar skill sets too, so there's always the option of forming a little colony elsewhere if necessary.Quote:
Originally Posted by TheGrey
Badger
My cousin has part of an old press that was used to press pop top tabs for aluminum cans riding in the back of his truck. Probably weighs a couple hundred pounds. Maybe I could buy it from him... If I remember correctly, it is probably 15" X 36"
Grade of steel matters. 7.62x39 and .223 will cut right through .375 mild steel. And cast iron may as well be aluminum foil .Quote:
Originally Posted by Irving
If you're thinking of using it for bulletproofing, that is.
Understood. Think it'd be marked on there?
ETA: More like target shooting.
What one puts in front of the steel layer is very important. Defeating AP rounds is not hard but one has to get them to turn. I will leave you with that thought.[Flower]
Saw this article about urban survival might be worth reading if your bug in plan is closer to Denver and the other big cities.
http://www.deathvalleymag.com/2013/0...-the-5-things/
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So you can't defend your house, but you can't bug out on foot either. Sounds like the only viable option for survival is to predict the future and be settled in to your remote retreat before the SHTF. Wishful thinking...Quote:
Originally Posted by jonny450r
I guess I'll just dig a grave in the backyard and sleep in it.
I guess that is why it's called SHTF.Quote:
Originally Posted by HoneyBadger
haha, yep. Every decision you're forced to make will result in your untimely death one way or another. The length of time before that untimely death is what varies, so choose wisely.Quote:
Originally Posted by SuperiorDG
But that goes for normal every day life, pre-SHTF too ;)
If anything it reenforces the fact that if shtf and everything modern goes down, the "average person" wont have a clue but no one is invisible from it. As some people think they are when you talk to them about prepping and bugging in or bugging out.Quote:
Originally Posted by HoneyBadger
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Back on topic, Costco is selling 55gal water barrels with a built in hand pump for about $65 IIRC. They are taking full advantage of the preppers in Colorado Springs. :)