I'm against protesting, I just don't know how to show it.
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I'm against protesting, I just don't know how to show it.
Well, the government's still around and operating business like usual - and while history may favor the students, they're just as dead. So I guess that shows which side of the fence I fall on.Quote:
Originally Posted by Irving
I'm one of those "come n get them/revolution" types, but not much interested in sacrificing myself to the legal system just to prove a point. My red line for personal individual action is actual door-to-door confiscation. And/or a movement with enough momentum to actually accomplish something - ala 1776.
With a large enough number the message can be sent. I am all for the protest but wouldn't risk my career or current lifestyle over a protest to be honest. If it came down to life and death or Something close to that then we can talk. But right now the federal gun ban got shot down along with most other overreaching legislation so I wouldn't go out of my way for potential arrest and scrutiny. I did enough of that tonight.
Have to figure if you get enough people to do it they can't arrest everyone. I assume that is what they are hoping for. I doubt they will go through with it if only 10-100 show.
while I agree that this is not an action I would take, I concur that they should, for any reason, be allowed to carry their firearms openly and in a civil manner, anywhere in the Free United States.
I would rather fight the cause in a courtroom and go home at night that try and fight it from a jail cell. I will stand in front of committees and legislatures and talk to the legislature until I am blue in the face. I write letters and join legal political activities.
One thing I won't do is berate or belittle anyone else's choices.
I am sure that there were those at Concord that said "Just give them your musket, what do you need a .58 round for anyway?"
I would like to know, does hitting the keys harder when you sit behind your keyboard, doing nothing while mocking the actions of others, make you tougher?
Those offended. are rightly so.
Byte Stryke, it's not about mocking their actions from behind the safety of an anonymous keyboard, it's about how ill-considered actions endanger ALL of our rights by giving ammunition to those who seek to portray us all as crazy, irresponsible, emotional blowhards. That's why I had no problem with the idea of a mag-carrying protest in Denver but I DO have a problem with open carrying in DC. I'm all for people voting or demonstrating their consciences but don't I have a right to object and point out when said demonstration or vote is a Pyrrhic victory that is more likely to end up endangering ALL of our rights?
This is the take that USA Carry had on the idea.
http://www.usacarry.com/forums/firea...edium=facebook
FIFY. Just because someone writes on the internet, they are not automatically a trusted or credible authority on any subject matter.Quote:
Originally Posted by pumpgun
If our right to something is in danger based on if we behave or not, it was never a right in the first place. Let's not forget that; as that seems to be the whole point of the message. That's the point for me anyway.
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Originally Posted by brokenscout
Awful presumptuous of both of you to say that... I remember this:Quote:
Originally Posted by JoeT
http://extras.mnginteractive.com/liv...enver-2~p1.jpg(click pic for story)
And I remember meeting a few forum members there. Granted we made our voices heard, but the left wasn't really listening. Still, action, doing something rather than just, how did you guys put it? BS or "talk" on a forum. So before you start saying we don't do anything, did either of you help organize, put on, or even attend some of these rallies?
I was there. Standing around.
I don't know if I was at that one....but I was at one in Colorado before I moved, I've been to 2 here in Connecticut since I moved and I spoke at 2 of the hearings before the state legislatureQuote:
Originally Posted by Ronin13
before moving to Colorado, I was a board member at Massachusetts' version of RMGO (only without the tinfoil) where I presented "ourside" dozens of times.
In addition to donating my time, I also donate from my wallet....in FY 2012 I donated thousands to gun rights organizations
Yep, another thread becomes a pissing contest. [banned2]
Would you expect anything less?Quote:
Originally Posted by ChunkyMonkey
Doesn't take long. Lotta vaginas, with a lot of sand in 'em these days. I keep waiting for the old favorite to pop up: "Because of your views, you're part of the problem". Always a good standby when somebody has a different opinion.Quote:
Originally Posted by blacklabel
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Sheriff Terry MaketaI've been asked to share my feelings and position concerning the proposed open carry march of civil disobedience on Washington DC. While I applaud the intent and the passion of the organizers, I cannot support deliberate acts of civil disobedience. As a peace officer, I believe we have many avenues at our disposal to send whatever message we wish to convey.
I do believe our freedoms and rights are under attack. I feel as passionate as anyone about the preservation of our rights, freedoms and ensuring those rights and freedoms are protected for future generations. Furthermore, I believe our freedoms are one generation away from extinction. It is our turn to speak out and protect our rights and freedoms for not only today, but well into the future.
These are challenging times and we need to be very calculating, systematic and factual in order to convey our message to those who buy into the misinformation and misrepresentations of what is taking place. I believe now, more than ever, we need to be cautious and find ways to educate people and develop a credibility across all political lines, cultural lines and generational lines in order to succeed. This is far too important to approach in a reckless manner that provides those attacking our rights, and the members of the media who support their efforts, the ammunition they need to discredit and suppress our voice.
Now is the time to ensure we follow existing rules, regulations and laws to reach the majority we need to form that critical mass. The public needs to be educated on the misrepresentations of the legislature and hold them accountable for their agenda. Our voice needs to be heard, and we will have a greater impact, if we assemble in a lawful manner and find common grounds in order to attract those who may be unsure or misinformed. I would encourage the organizers to plan a lawful march that represents the views of law abiding citizens, and then I would be honored to walk with them. Government needs to stop blaming society for the ill-actions of criminals and start holding those criminals accountable for their own actions, and not at the expense of law abiding citizens. So if we are going to send a powerful message, let's not do it in a criminal manner.
I really think that people have given up on what is a right and what isn't. When people commit crimes, they are read their rights pertaining to the Fifth Amendment. This is while they are being accused of a crime. How come no one is ever afraid of losing their right to remain silent, or their right to an attorney, or their right to a trial? It is a sad state of affairs that we are actually afraid to lose one right, yet couldn't even imagine losing another. That is not a commentary on those here with the warnings, more of those who actively work to take those rights away, or convince us as a population that they actually can be.
Everyone has his/her own tolerance level of being 'infringed' I suppose.Quote:
Originally Posted by Irving
I just saw that Sheriff Maketa posted this on facebook and I was going to post it here. He is a solid guy.
Me too. Red jacket under the tree to the left. Can barely make myself out. IMO there wasn't nearly enough people there though.Quote:
Originally Posted by Irving